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OLS · 06-20-2012, 06:23 PM

I am always cranked off when I see anyone even tilt towards Cuba with their marketing, or use it as a reference point
for comparison. These guys are in a death struggle everyday with havana, and from what I can tell, Habanos goes out
of their way to be innovative within themselves. Granted, EVERYTHING THEY OWN, they STOLE, but since then they
have tried to stay above the fray and just focus on trying to maintain their image as the best in the world. They have
failed mightily at every turn in my opinion, their reaction to the boom was not only embarrassing, it was nearly
catastrophic. But they still keep innovating and trying to shake the money tree. EVERY OTHER MAKER outside of Cuba
uses them for ideas to steal, an anchor for all their legitimacy in the history of their companies or in the DNA of their
master blenders and torcedores. It's almost disgusting, and I try to stay away from their products as much as possible.
But again, Havana DID steal EVERYTHING. But they did not continue to steal unabashedly.
I can tolerate Fuente because no one can say they don't also do it their way, and are wildly successful because of it.
The Padrons live off the cuban mystique, but they also innovate on their own and are a dominant force because they
refuse to pander to trends. They MAKE trends. It seems like all the boutiques will steal whatever they can to try and
just get the scraps left behind by the other 2. I like a Nic cigar, but I don't like the PJ stuff, or the Drew Estates Stuff,
or the Pepin stuff or the AJ stuff......Some of the cigars make the most they can out of the tobacco, but 80% of it is all the
same to me.

By the way OP, "poor man's Behike" is a little off base....These cigars will be money or nothing. They won't be cheap.

06-20-2012, 06:23 PM	#23
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: The Poor Mans Behike? I am always cranked off when I see anyone even tilt towards Cuba with their marketing, or use it as a reference point for comparison. These guys are in a death struggle everyday with havana, and from what I can tell, Habanos goes out of their way to be innovative within themselves. Granted, EVERYTHING THEY OWN, they STOLE, but since then they have tried to stay above the fray and just focus on trying to maintain their image as the best in the world. They have failed mightily at every turn in my opinion, their reaction to the boom was not only embarrassing, it was nearly catastrophic. But they still keep innovating and trying to shake the money tree. EVERY OTHER MAKER outside of Cuba uses them for ideas to steal, an anchor for all their legitimacy in the history of their companies or in the DNA of their master blenders and torcedores. It's almost disgusting, and I try to stay away from their products as much as possible. But again, Havana DID steal EVERYTHING. But they did not continue to steal unabashedly. I can tolerate Fuente because no one can say they don't also do it their way, and are wildly successful because of it. The Padrons live off the cuban mystique, but they also innovate on their own and are a dominant force because they refuse to pander to trends. They MAKE trends. It seems like all the boutiques will steal whatever they can to try and just get the scraps left behind by the other 2. I like a Nic cigar, but I don't like the PJ stuff, or the Drew Estates Stuff, or the Pepin stuff or the AJ stuff......Some of the cigars make the most they can out of the tobacco, but 80% of it is all the same to me. By the way OP, "poor man's Behike" is a little off base....These cigars will be money or nothing. They won't be cheap.