Foil

TomHagen · 05-19-2009, 11:04 PM

I know that foil wrapped cigars is used for aging. But what about something new that they know is ready to smoke now, in fact is sold to smoke now, but sold in foil. Example, the new Illusione mj12 and Tat Cazadores... Both Dion and Pete sell their cigars to be smoked now, so what does the foil really accomplish, marketing gimmic? Where they rolled a while ago and immed. wrapped in foil? What does wet wrapping them do? Is it different blend? etc. etc.

warpedcigars · 05-19-2009, 11:09 PM

I use foil wrapping for my Private Blend. What it does is allow the fermentation process to under go kind of a unique experience. While the cigars still have moisture in them you put them in airtight foil bundles, allow them to ferment basically in their own aromas and etc, really creating a stronger, more unique flavor and aroma. It only really works if the foil is sealed, not if the cigar is just wrapped. If moisture can escape, the whole purpose is defeated.

TomHagen · 05-19-2009, 11:17 PM

Fascinating! Thank you. I look forward to trying your creation.

So when B&M's re-wrap over the foil on a bundle of say Tat Cazadores, they are doing nothing then...?

Usually the foil is taped with a piece of scotch tape like on CC Bolivar GM's and on the new Illusione MJ12, is this considered sealed?

What about the Tat diadema and salamon that are half sealed in foil?

warpedcigars · 05-19-2009, 11:53 PM

True sealing is like the Tatuaje Black.

http://www.vitolas.net/albums/userpi...undle_foil.jpg

As you can see the air has been sucked out and sealed(like a vacuum sealer), so no air can be exchanged. Tape will do nothing, as there is no seal to prevent the air from being exchanged. The Illusione I am not familiar with the foil wrapping used, but unless its sealed(air tight), the wrapping is purely for show.

Think of it per say with food. If you have a food saver, you dont seal the bag, the food will go bad.

Adriftpanda · 05-20-2009, 12:29 AM

Oh really cool, I was wondering why some were in foil as well. Thanks for the info.

alfbacca · 05-21-2009, 09:08 PM

Because I freeze all my cigars before they go into my humidor, is that going to affect the fermentation process of the foil on cigars?

TomHagen · 05-21-2009, 10:04 PM

I smoked the Illusione mj12 today that was individually wrapped in foil, it was excellent. I usually don't go for such a ring gauge, but it was a really nice smoke. Much better IMHO than the 888, the other comparable Illusione vitola. I don't know if the foil had an effect, but the pre-light smell of the cigar was FANTASTIC and the wrapper was gorgeous. Nice smoke!

Commander Quan · 05-22-2009, 08:42 AM

So your saying the gold medals aren't air tight?

warpedcigars · 05-22-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Quan

So your saying the gold medals aren't air tight?

Correct but the 3 boxes I got last week sure do look nice with the foil

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Blak Smyth · 08-08-2011, 05:51 AM

Question about the foil Illusione MJ12.

Should I remove the foil when I put it into my humidor or should I leave it on?
I don't know if this specific cigar's foil will continue to serve a purpose.

Bill86 · 08-08-2011, 06:00 AM

Leave it on IMO.

Protects the cigar, it came with it.

Blak Smyth · 08-08-2011, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill86

Leave it on IMO.

Protects the cigar, it came with it.

That is my plan of action unless somebody convinces me otherwise.
Thanks!!!

Emjaysmash · 08-08-2011, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill86

Leave it on IMO.

Protects the cigar, it came with it.

Plus it looks badass!

thechrisdotcom · 08-08-2011, 09:26 AM

Never heard of wrapping cigars in foil...interesting.

jsnake · 08-08-2011, 09:37 AM

I got a few of those illusiones from a friend. I didn't know what they were so I tore the foil off. Might get a few more and leave it on and see if I can see a difference in a year between with and without foil.

Blak Smyth · 08-08-2011, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsnake

I got a few of those illusiones from a friend. I didn't know what they were so I tore the foil off. Might get a few more and leave it on and see if I can see a difference in a year between with and without foil.

Now you are talking!

05-19-2009, 11:04 PM	#1
TomHagen Rabbinic Consigliere Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tattejuaje Location: NY Posts: 601 Trading: (12)	Foil I know that foil wrapped cigars is used for aging. But what about something new that they know is ready to smoke now, in fact is sold to smoke now, but sold in foil. Example, the new Illusione mj12 and Tat Cazadores... Both Dion and Pete sell their cigars to be smoked now, so what does the foil really accomplish, marketing gimmic? Where they rolled a while ago and immed. wrapped in foil? What does wet wrapping them do? Is it different blend? etc. etc. __________________ Cigar Asylum Minyan///Corona Gorda Comparison Thread Do Acts of Goodness and Kindness!!

05-19-2009, 11:09 PM	#2
warpedcigars Warehouse Smoking Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 449 Trading: (11)	Re: Foil I use foil wrapping for my Private Blend. What it does is allow the fermentation process to under go kind of a unique experience. While the cigars still have moisture in them you put them in airtight foil bundles, allow them to ferment basically in their own aromas and etc, really creating a stronger, more unique flavor and aroma. It only really works if the foil is sealed, not if the cigar is just wrapped. If moisture can escape, the whole purpose is defeated. __________________ www.warpedcigars.com

05-19-2009, 11:17 PM	#3
TomHagen Rabbinic Consigliere Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tattejuaje Location: NY Posts: 601 Trading: (12)	Re: Foil Fascinating! Thank you. I look forward to trying your creation. So when B&M's re-wrap over the foil on a bundle of say Tat Cazadores, they are doing nothing then...? Usually the foil is taped with a piece of scotch tape like on CC Bolivar GM's and on the new Illusione MJ12, is this considered sealed? What about the Tat diadema and salamon that are half sealed in foil? __________________ Cigar Asylum Minyan///Corona Gorda Comparison Thread Do Acts of Goodness and Kindness!!

05-19-2009, 11:53 PM	#4
warpedcigars Warehouse Smoking Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 449 Trading: (11)	Re: Foil True sealing is like the Tatuaje Black. http://www.vitolas.net/albums/userpi...undle_foil.jpg As you can see the air has been sucked out and sealed(like a vacuum sealer), so no air can be exchanged. Tape will do nothing, as there is no seal to prevent the air from being exchanged. The Illusione I am not familiar with the foil wrapping used, but unless its sealed(air tight), the wrapping is purely for show. Think of it per say with food. If you have a food saver, you dont seal the bag, the food will go bad. __________________ www.warpedcigars.com Last edited by warpedcigars; 05-20-2009 at 12:08 AM.

05-20-2009, 12:29 AM	#5
Adriftpanda Peter's Daddy Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Huy Location: No one wants me Posts: 10,312 Trading: (74)	Re: Foil Oh really cool, I was wondering why some were in foil as well. Thanks for the info.

05-21-2009, 09:08 PM	#6
alfbacca Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 137 Trading: (0)	Re: Foil Because I freeze all my cigars before they go into my humidor, is that going to affect the fermentation process of the foil on cigars?

05-21-2009, 10:04 PM	#7
TomHagen Rabbinic Consigliere Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tattejuaje Location: NY Posts: 601 Trading: (12)	Re: Foil I smoked the Illusione mj12 today that was individually wrapped in foil, it was excellent. I usually don't go for such a ring gauge, but it was a really nice smoke. Much better IMHO than the 888, the other comparable Illusione vitola. I don't know if the foil had an effect, but the pre-light smell of the cigar was FANTASTIC and the wrapper was gorgeous. Nice smoke! __________________ Cigar Asylum Minyan///Corona Gorda Comparison Thread Do Acts of Goodness and Kindness!!

05-22-2009, 08:42 AM	#8
Commander Quan Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Derrick Location: Canton, OH Posts: 966 Trading: (4)	Re: Foil So your saying the gold medals aren't air tight?

08-08-2011, 05:51 AM	#10
Blak Smyth Think Blue! Join Date: Jun 2011 First Name: SD Location: THE WOOD Posts: 8,486 Trading: (52)	Re: Foil Question about the foil Illusione MJ12. Should I remove the foil when I put it into my humidor or should I leave it on? I don't know if this specific cigar's foil will continue to serve a purpose. __________________ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS Last edited by Blak Smyth; 08-08-2011 at 05:58 AM.

08-08-2011, 06:00 AM	#11
Bill86 Snob Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Bill Posts: 6,704 Trading: (67)	Re: Foil Leave it on IMO. Protects the cigar, it came with it. __________________ I'm drunk......but I'll get drunker! - Doug Stanhope

08-08-2011, 09:26 AM	#14
thechrisdotcom . Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 601 Trading: (2)	Re: Foil Never heard of wrapping cigars in foil...interesting.

08-08-2011, 09:37 AM	#15
jsnake Have My Own Room Join Date: Feb 2010 First Name: Jake Location: Your mom's house Posts: 1,309 Trading: (22)	Re: Foil I got a few of those illusiones from a friend. I didn't know what they were so I tore the foil off. Might get a few more and leave it on and see if I can see a difference in a year between with and without foil.