Opening a Cigar Lounge

JohnRogers · 10-04-2014, 03:16 PM

Well inmates I'm opening a cigar lounge soon, I know some of you just rolled your eyes. No this is not an idea, a concept, a plan or pipe dream. I have a location and funding, I should be selling my first cigars before the fall season is over. I'm in that first 100 days and would like to ask questions and have your opinions in this thread. So to begin...

Cigarette smoking, I'm leaning toward signage and such saying "Please Refrain from Cigarette Smoking". Thoughts? What is the policy at your favorite lounge?

icehog3 · 10-04-2014, 03:26 PM

I am not sure I have see any "no cigarette smoking" signs in any on the B&M lounges in my area, John, but I can't remember seeing anyone smoking cigarettes there either.

Will you be allowed to sell alcohol in your lounge? You may be forfeiting some sales with an anti-cigarette policy if that's the case. If it is strictly a cigar lounge with soft drinks and coffee, then I wouldn't think it could hurt you at all.

P.S....Great success with the venture!

shilala · 10-04-2014, 03:30 PM

I think it's best to keep the "don'ts" to a bare minimum.
To disallow cigarette smoking is borderline senseless when there are umpteen cigars burning, at least in my way of thinking.
I know I certainly wouldn't be offended by anyone smoking a cigarette where smoking is allowed. I'd be happy for the guy. A brother can't smoke a cigarette anywhere nowadays.

JohnRogers · 10-04-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Will you be allowed to sell alcohol in your lounge? You may be forfeiting some sales with an anti-cigarette policy if that's the case.

P.S....Great success with the venture!

Yes a full alcohol beverage bar once the OK ABLE commission grants my permit, they are notoriously slow.

Thanks for the reply and wishing me well, I won't be selling online but at some point do I need to convert to a Retail Membership?

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Originally Posted by shilala

I think it's best to keep the "don'ts" to a bare minimum...I know I certainly wouldn't be offended by anyone smoking a cigarette where smoking is allowed. I'd be happy for the guy. A brother can't smoke a cigarette anywhere nowadays.

Scott, thanks for the input. I figured most cigar smokers didn't like being around cigarette smoke, I know I don't. I may be overestimating that whole thing. Thanks for the reply.

icehog3 · 10-04-2014, 03:39 PM

If you are selling alcohol, I agree with Scott, the less "don't"s, the better.

The Poet · 10-04-2014, 03:43 PM

I'd have a "philosophical" problem with banning cigarette smokers. I no longer indulge, but I know many cigar smokers who smoke both. Plus, I herfed with Lew Rothman at JRs Whippany on several occasions, and he himself, one of the most powerful men in the cigar business, would normally smoke cigs.

You should feel free to do as you choose, but choosing to restrict the freedom of others in your choice seems odd to me. Just sayin'.

bobarian · 10-04-2014, 04:05 PM

Good luck on your endeavor. Do other bars in your area allow smoking? If so, then you pribably won't have to worry about cigarette smokers crowding out your target customers. You could require a cigar purchase or charge a table minimum if casual cigarette smokers become an issue.

Ogre · 10-04-2014, 04:28 PM

The cigar lounges in my area do not allow cigarette smoking.

Frank-D-Tank · 10-04-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I think it's best to keep the "don'ts" to a bare minimum.
To disallow cigarette smoking is borderline senseless when there are umpteen cigars burning, at least in my way of thinking.
I know I certainly wouldn't be offended by anyone smoking a cigarette where smoking is allowed. I'd be happy for the guy. A brother can't smoke a cigarette anywhere nowadays.

This^^

I'm no expert, but from a customer standpoint, most don't want to walk in to a new place and be hit with a bunch of "don't" and "no". I wouldn't worry about it at first. If down the line it becomes a problem, you can always implement the "no cigarettes" later, but I doubt it will be necessary.

Best of luck!

MurphysLaw · 10-04-2014, 05:03 PM

Put the no cigarette smoking sign in the ladies room, if anyone complains you can direct them to the cigarette free zone

JohnRogers · 10-04-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw

Put the no cigarette smoking sign in the ladies room, if anyone complains you can direct them to the cigarette free zone

LOL...Thank you all for chiming in I appreciate the

very much!

ApexAZ · 10-04-2014, 05:52 PM

There are cig smokers in my lounge all the time. I have no issues with it. I can't think of a time where I ever smelled it.

I think the more foot traffic, the better. Especially if serving alcohol, as others pointed out.

Good luck!

TJtorpedo · 10-04-2014, 08:04 PM

First of all, I commend you brother for opening a lounge and doing something you love. Best of luck!

Second, the alcohol might draw some cig smokers, but if your establishment is primarily known for cigars, I wouldn't worry too much. Like others have said, you probably dont want to exclude groups of folks, but you can always curtail it after the fact if the cigarettes get out of hand. It's ironic, but I typically get dirty looks from cig smokers when I'm lighting a cigar, so you'll want to make sure you cater to the cigar smokers. Just my observation.

stevef2005 · 10-04-2014, 08:10 PM

Down here at the B&M I frequent in OKC they do allow cigarette smoking. They dont sell you Marlboros and Winstons but they sell natural cigarettes and loose leaf tobacco to roll your own. Most folks who hangout though dont have issues if some lights up.

Let me know when things are up and running too. Long overdue for that OK herf. What better place than ur place!!

baust55 · 10-05-2014, 02:32 AM

Here in Nebraska there is no public smoking allowed anywhere .....but a few B&M and cigar lounges have an exception ,the law dose not allow cigarettes just cigars .

jhedrick83 · 10-05-2014, 07:26 AM

The lounges I have been to in TN don't have any restrictions on cigarette smoking and I personally have never smelled them when people have lit up. Like others have said, I would try to encourage as much foot traffic as possible. I wish you the best of luck and post up some pictures as you go!

CigarNut · 10-05-2014, 10:54 AM

The lounges in Oregon only allow cigars -- cigarettes and pipes (and vaping) are specifically not allowed as they are considered "chemically treated" tobaccos.

mosesbotbol · 10-05-2014, 03:51 PM

You're are crazy if you have a sign turning away any business. Making a profit on a cigar lounge is hard enough and turn away anyone is crazy. Most cigar lounges have so much ventilation that it could toxic fumes and you can barely smell it.

You should be thinking more on the lines of "how can I get everyone around smokers or not into my lounge?" Think of ways to broaden the appeal beyond than a place to smoke cigars.

E.J. · 10-05-2014, 05:14 PM

Congrats on your new venture! I wish you all the best and success!

Shaneg · 10-06-2014, 06:55 AM

I would maybe let the staff tell the customers it's 'allowed' but frowned apon, and leave it at that- cigars are one of the last refuges from this don't do this dont do that world we live in, I would hate to see any signage of that sort at the local tobacconist, despite not liking the smell myself.

10-04-2014, 03:16 PM	#1
JohnRogers I Still Ash On My Self Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: John Location: Enid Oklahoma Posts: 214 Trading: (0)	Opening a Cigar Lounge Well inmates I'm opening a cigar lounge soon, I know some of you just rolled your eyes. No this is not an idea, a concept, a plan or pipe dream. I have a location and funding, I should be selling my first cigars before the fall season is over. I'm in that first 100 days and would like to ask questions and have your opinions in this thread. So to begin... Cigarette smoking, I'm leaning toward signage and such saying "Please Refrain from Cigarette Smoking". Thoughts? What is the policy at your favorite lounge? __________________ Boy before the mirror checks his camouflage polishes his armor and the Charger in the garage. www.enidcigar.com

10-04-2014, 03:26 PM	#2
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge I am not sure I have see any "no cigarette smoking" signs in any on the B&M lounges in my area, John, but I can't remember seeing anyone smoking cigarettes there either. Will you be allowed to sell alcohol in your lounge? You may be forfeiting some sales with an anti-cigarette policy if that's the case. If it is strictly a cigar lounge with soft drinks and coffee, then I wouldn't think it could hurt you at all. P.S....Great success with the venture! __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

10-04-2014, 03:30 PM	#3
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge I think it's best to keep the "don'ts" to a bare minimum. To disallow cigarette smoking is borderline senseless when there are umpteen cigars burning, at least in my way of thinking. I know I certainly wouldn't be offended by anyone smoking a cigarette where smoking is allowed. I'd be happy for the guy. A brother can't smoke a cigarette anywhere nowadays. __________________

10-04-2014, 03:39 PM	#5
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge If you are selling alcohol, I agree with Scott, the less "don't"s, the better. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

10-04-2014, 03:43 PM	#6
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge I'd have a "philosophical" problem with banning cigarette smokers. I no longer indulge, but I know many cigar smokers who smoke both. Plus, I herfed with Lew Rothman at JRs Whippany on several occasions, and he himself, one of the most powerful men in the cigar business, would normally smoke cigs. You should feel free to do as you choose, but choosing to restrict the freedom of others in your choice seems odd to me. Just sayin'. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

10-04-2014, 04:05 PM	#7
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge Good luck on your endeavor. Do other bars in your area allow smoking? If so, then you pribably won't have to worry about cigarette smokers crowding out your target customers. You could require a cigar purchase or charge a table minimum if casual cigarette smokers become an issue.

10-04-2014, 04:28 PM	#8
Ogre **CENSORED** Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Larry Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,068 Trading: (46)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge The cigar lounges in my area do not allow cigarette smoking. __________________

10-04-2014, 05:03 PM	#10
MurphysLaw Anything can go wrong Join Date: Dec 2010 First Name: Brian Location: SoFlo Posts: 2,823 Trading: (19)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge Put the no cigarette smoking sign in the ladies room, if anyone complains you can direct them to the cigarette free zone __________________ It's THIS easy to help our Troops.

10-04-2014, 05:52 PM	#12
ApexAZ Wandering aimlessly Join Date: Oct 2011 First Name: Brian Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 1,299 Trading: (10)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge There are cig smokers in my lounge all the time. I have no issues with it. I can't think of a time where I ever smelled it. I think the more foot traffic, the better. Especially if serving alcohol, as others pointed out. Good luck!

10-04-2014, 08:04 PM	#13
TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge First of all, I commend you brother for opening a lounge and doing something you love. Best of luck! Second, the alcohol might draw some cig smokers, but if your establishment is primarily known for cigars, I wouldn't worry too much. Like others have said, you probably dont want to exclude groups of folks, but you can always curtail it after the fact if the cigarettes get out of hand. It's ironic, but I typically get dirty looks from cig smokers when I'm lighting a cigar, so you'll want to make sure you cater to the cigar smokers. Just my observation. __________________

10-04-2014, 08:10 PM	#14
stevef2005 Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Aug 2013 First Name: Steve Location: Midwest City, OK Posts: 467 Trading: (4)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge Down here at the B&M I frequent in OKC they do allow cigarette smoking. They dont sell you Marlboros and Winstons but they sell natural cigarettes and loose leaf tobacco to roll your own. Most folks who hangout though dont have issues if some lights up. Let me know when things are up and running too. Long overdue for that OK herf. What better place than ur place!!

10-05-2014, 02:32 AM	#15
baust55 AUSTIN Join Date: Oct 2013 First Name: JAMES Location: NEBRASKA Posts: 241 Trading: (1)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge Here in Nebraska there is no public smoking allowed anywhere .....but a few B&M and cigar lounges have an exception ,the law dose not allow cigarettes just cigars . __________________ AUSTIN S.E. Nebraska

10-05-2014, 07:26 AM	#16
jhedrick83 GO VOLS! Join Date: May 2013 First Name: Jesse Location: Knoxville Posts: 402 Trading: (0)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge The lounges I have been to in TN don't have any restrictions on cigarette smoking and I personally have never smelled them when people have lit up. Like others have said, I would try to encourage as much foot traffic as possible. I wish you the best of luck and post up some pictures as you go!

10-05-2014, 10:54 AM	#17
CigarNut Fck Cancer! Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Michael Location: Clermont, Florida Posts: 18,042 Trading: (111*)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge The lounges in Oregon only allow cigars -- cigarettes and pipes (and vaping) are specifically not allowed as they are considered "chemically treated" tobaccos. __________________ Need Beads? Need Five Finger Bags? 2 of 3 Requirements for use of the CA Rolodex: 100 posts/ 60 day membership/ participation in trade (trader rating). New members can be added at any time.

10-05-2014, 03:51 PM	#18
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge You're are crazy if you have a sign turning away any business. Making a profit on a cigar lounge is hard enough and turn away anyone is crazy. Most cigar lounges have so much ventilation that it could toxic fumes and you can barely smell it. You should be thinking more on the lines of "how can I get everyone around smokers or not into my lounge?" Think of ways to broaden the appeal beyond than a place to smoke cigars. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

10-05-2014, 05:14 PM	#19
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge Congrats on your new venture! I wish you all the best and success!

10-06-2014, 06:55 AM	#20
Shaneg Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jul 2014 First Name: Shane Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 28 Trading: (2)	Re: Opening a Cigar Lounge I would maybe let the staff tell the customers it's 'allowed' but frowned apon, and leave it at that- cigars are one of the last refuges from this don't do this dont do that world we live in, I would hate to see any signage of that sort at the local tobacconist, despite not liking the smell myself.