School me on supplements

Chainsaw13 · 07-06-2011, 09:26 AM

Now that I've started doing the Power 90 workout program, I'm beginning to wonder if I should be taking supplements. I know in the other workout threads some of you take them. Do you find they help? Anyone experience side effects? Just really looking for opinions on whether they're really necessary.

area51 · 07-06-2011, 09:49 AM

Honestly, Protein, creatine, and a pre workout are all you need. I was taking everything under the sun and I as well as some others can tell you 95% of it is pure crap. If you want to take supplements go for it but just keep that in mind.

kaisersozei · 07-07-2011, 11:22 AM

My answer would depend on: 1) your goals, 2) your typical dietary plan, and 3) your age.

I never used any supplements until I got a bit older (past 40

) and found that my body wasn't producing what I wanted it to in order to keep up with the intensity of my workouts. Plus, I was interested in adding muscle, so I needed more protein but didn't want to eat an entire chicken every day.

I've settled on:

a preworkout drink that contains caffeine anhydrous + amino acids + nitric oxide (Body Rush); side effects can include slight bowel issues, light-headedness & increased BP, but none of those are that significant for me
a workout/recovery drink + BCAAs (Endurox R4 + GNC brand BCAA); no real side effects
a protein mix for strength training days (GNC Amp Wheybolic Extreme 60); no real side effects
a meal supplement protein blend (Dymatize Elite); no real side effects.

I also take a multivitamin + fish oil, but I would do that without working out anyway.

Just my

, hope this helps

Chainsaw13 · 07-07-2011, 11:41 AM

Thanks for the info Gerard. I was just doing some online reading about the different types of basic supplements which helped me understand what you're taking.

forgop · 07-07-2011, 02:12 PM

If your dietary intake is sufficient, you really don't need supplements. Most likely you might take the basics like a multivitamin and another for omega 3/6/9 fatty acids.

I honestly haven't researched supplements in 10+ years, but I think creatine (found in meat) is a good one. At that time, EAS was one of the leading edge companies, but so much has changed over the years that I wouldn't know where to really begin.

The thing you have to really ask yourself before starting any supplements is determining what your goals are, what methods you'll use in terms of working out (P90, weights, cardio, etc), and what type of diet you'll have in order to determine exactly what will be of benefit. You'll find a LOT of the products on the market today are pure crap as they're not regulated by the FDA and can pretty much make whatever claim they want.

Blak Smyth · 07-07-2011, 02:21 PM

Ximo!!!!

Coach Deg · 07-07-2011, 02:30 PM

Like Gerard said. Your goals, health, and lifestyle should determine what you take.

Research any supplements and the companies you take!!!!! Not regulated and have been know to include extra stuff or not include what they are saying.

Creatine is a great supplement if you do not do a lot of cardio or work in the heat. Dehydration can be a side effect and it will lead to pulled muscles.

Last I tell all the high school kids I work with change their diet supplements are not necessary. But if they want supplements I recommend to their parents to research ADVOCARE supplements. No I do not sell or distribute them. I feel it would be a conflict of what I teach. Advocare is tested and approved by the NCAA and IOC. If they pass those 2 tests they have to be good.

Good luck!

Chainsaw13 · 07-07-2011, 05:25 PM

Thanks for the info guys. I was only interested as Tony Horton keeps talking about them in the DVD's, obviously to sell them and make more money. But in the pumping iron thread I've seen where people say they take them. For now, especially since I'm just starting, I don't plan on taking any. My diet is really quite good, lots of veggies, fruit, protein and lowish in carbs. I've lost ~50lbs so far, almost 80lbs overall (2.5 years). My goal isn't to get huge, but have some nice definition. I'm a week into the program and already seeing results and not sore the next day. Even after working outside Tuesday all day I wasn't sore Wednesday.

Once I progress from Power 90 to P90x I'll reevaluate if I need supplements.

hammondc · 07-18-2011, 09:09 AM

I am doing an Insanity/P90X hybrid and only do a protein shake as a postworkout. 30 grams Optimum Gold Standard with 1/2 cup milk, water, a banana, some oats, a dollop of peanut butter and whatever fruit is around. Everything you need for recover and refuel is in that shake.

Chainsaw13 · 08-09-2011, 09:01 PM

I started doing protein shakes as a post workout drink. It's helping. 1 scoop Optimum Nutrition whey protein, 5g of OM creatine, 1 cup skim milk, 1/2c water. Their Double Rich Chocolate tastes really good. I ordered some of their Extreme Milk Chocolate today also.

Anyone have any first hand experience with COQ10? A friend was mentioning that as something else I should look into. Been doing some online reading and looks like it might not be a bad idea to take as you get older.

Angry_Pirate · 08-10-2011, 02:56 AM

I worked in a supplement store and have tried a lot of them. If your looking for a muscle pump N02 by MRI is very good you will notice more strength and more blood flow to your muscles from the vaso-dialator in a coupe of days of using it. GNC has a N02 powder that is much cheaper then the MRI pills (which are horse pills). I have been using it and am happy with the results.

07-06-2011, 09:26 AM	#1
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,177 Trading: (96)	School me on supplements Now that I've started doing the Power 90 workout program, I'm beginning to wonder if I should be taking supplements. I know in the other workout threads some of you take them. Do you find they help? Anyone experience side effects? Just really looking for opinions on whether they're really necessary. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

07-06-2011, 09:49 AM	#2
area51 Blowing Smoke Rings Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Ken Location: Tejas Posts: 1,259 Trading: (3)	Re: School me on supplements Honestly, Protein, creatine, and a pre workout are all you need. I was taking everything under the sun and I as well as some others can tell you 95% of it is pure crap. If you want to take supplements go for it but just keep that in mind. __________________

07-07-2011, 11:22 AM	#3
kaisersozei The Homebrew Hammer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Gerard Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 3,183 Trading: (40)	Re: School me on supplements My answer would depend on: 1) your goals, 2) your typical dietary plan, and 3) your age. I never used any supplements until I got a bit older (past 40 ) and found that my body wasn't producing what I wanted it to in order to keep up with the intensity of my workouts. Plus, I was interested in adding muscle, so I needed more protein but didn't want to eat an entire chicken every day. I've settled on: a preworkout drink that contains caffeine anhydrous + amino acids + nitric oxide (Body Rush); side effects can include slight bowel issues, light-headedness & increased BP, but none of those are that significant for me a workout/recovery drink + BCAAs (Endurox R4 + GNC brand BCAA); no real side effects a protein mix for strength training days (GNC Amp Wheybolic Extreme 60); no real side effects a meal supplement protein blend (Dymatize Elite); no real side effects. I also take a multivitamin + fish oil, but I would do that without working out anyway. Just my , hope this helps __________________

07-07-2011, 11:41 AM	#4
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,177 Trading: (96)	Re: School me on supplements Thanks for the info Gerard. I was just doing some online reading about the different types of basic supplements which helped me understand what you're taking. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

07-07-2011, 02:12 PM	#5
forgop Not a puffer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Duane Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,869 Trading: (40)	Re: School me on supplements If your dietary intake is sufficient, you really don't need supplements. Most likely you might take the basics like a multivitamin and another for omega 3/6/9 fatty acids. I honestly haven't researched supplements in 10+ years, but I think creatine (found in meat) is a good one. At that time, EAS was one of the leading edge companies, but so much has changed over the years that I wouldn't know where to really begin. The thing you have to really ask yourself before starting any supplements is determining what your goals are, what methods you'll use in terms of working out (P90, weights, cardio, etc), and what type of diet you'll have in order to determine exactly what will be of benefit. You'll find a LOT of the products on the market today are pure crap as they're not regulated by the FDA and can pretty much make whatever claim they want.

07-07-2011, 02:21 PM	#6
Blak Smyth Think Blue! Join Date: Jun 2011 First Name: SD Location: THE WOOD Posts: 8,486 Trading: (52)	Re: School me on supplements Ximo!!!! __________________ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

07-07-2011, 02:30 PM	#7
Coach Deg C O W eieio. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Mike Location: Hudson, FL Posts: 2,853 Trading: (59)	Re: School me on supplements Like Gerard said. Your goals, health, and lifestyle should determine what you take. Research any supplements and the companies you take!!!!! Not regulated and have been know to include extra stuff or not include what they are saying. Creatine is a great supplement if you do not do a lot of cardio or work in the heat. Dehydration can be a side effect and it will lead to pulled muscles. Last I tell all the high school kids I work with change their diet supplements are not necessary. But if they want supplements I recommend to their parents to research ADVOCARE supplements. No I do not sell or distribute them. I feel it would be a conflict of what I teach. Advocare is tested and approved by the NCAA and IOC. If they pass those 2 tests they have to be good. Good luck!

07-07-2011, 05:25 PM	#8
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,177 Trading: (96)	Re: School me on supplements Thanks for the info guys. I was only interested as Tony Horton keeps talking about them in the DVD's, obviously to sell them and make more money. But in the pumping iron thread I've seen where people say they take them. For now, especially since I'm just starting, I don't plan on taking any. My diet is really quite good, lots of veggies, fruit, protein and lowish in carbs. I've lost ~50lbs so far, almost 80lbs overall (2.5 years). My goal isn't to get huge, but have some nice definition. I'm a week into the program and already seeing results and not sore the next day. Even after working outside Tuesday all day I wasn't sore Wednesday. Once I progress from Power 90 to P90x I'll reevaluate if I need supplements. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

07-18-2011, 09:09 AM	#9
hammondc Moar Padrons! Join Date: Aug 2010 First Name: Chip Location: Senoia, GA Posts: 2,625 Trading: (17)	Re: School me on supplements I am doing an Insanity/P90X hybrid and only do a protein shake as a postworkout. 30 grams Optimum Gold Standard with 1/2 cup milk, water, a banana, some oats, a dollop of peanut butter and whatever fruit is around. Everything you need for recover and refuel is in that shake.

08-09-2011, 09:01 PM	#10
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,177 Trading: (96)	Re: School me on supplements I started doing protein shakes as a post workout drink. It's helping. 1 scoop Optimum Nutrition whey protein, 5g of OM creatine, 1 cup skim milk, 1/2c water. Their Double Rich Chocolate tastes really good. I ordered some of their Extreme Milk Chocolate today also. Anyone have any first hand experience with COQ10? A friend was mentioning that as something else I should look into. Been doing some online reading and looks like it might not be a bad idea to take as you get older. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

08-10-2011, 02:56 AM	#11
Angry_Pirate Traveler Join Date: Dec 2010 First Name: J.T. Location: Indiana Posts: 903 Trading: (40)	Re: School me on supplements I worked in a supplement store and have tried a lot of them. If your looking for a muscle pump N02 by MRI is very good you will notice more strength and more blood flow to your muscles from the vaso-dialator in a coupe of days of using it. GNC has a N02 powder that is much cheaper then the MRI pills (which are horse pills). I have been using it and am happy with the results.