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08-26-2010, 08:44 AM | #1 | |
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Ten Reasons to Lift the Cuba Embargo
The seemingly never-ending debate...
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08-26-2010, 09:51 AM | #5 |
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08-26-2010, 09:54 AM | #6 |
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Re: Ten Reasons to Lift the Cuba Embargo
I love 7 and 8.
Embargo is inhumane? What about Castro? Are we in fact that important in the lives of the Cubans that can openly trade with the REST OF THE WORLD? Without us, tourism is the #1 industry in Cuba. Oil? Good reason. Some folks will just never get it. Castro's regime does not want relations with the US. They need to do anything to sabotage that possibility. If they don't, and US relations are established, they will have succumbed to Yankee Capitalism. They will see it as failure as their system will in fact crumble. When this subject last arose not too long ago, the next day, Fidel was inflammatory and declared the US was going to nuke Iran. Why on Earth would he do that if we are on the brink of re-establishing relations? Well, if you are asking this, you missed the aforementioned point(s).
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08-26-2010, 10:06 AM | #7 |
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And some reasons not to - though its a bit selfish...
There will be a huge increase in demand putting pressure on production and creating potential quality problems. The prices currently paid from free trade zones is silly low compared to the government controlled (taxed) prices we will be paying. There will be incentive for the government to enforce preventing grey market sales from other countries (Tax Revenue). Once its a revenue source, enforcement gets staffed, unlike the wink wink that goes on now, fines and criminal charges get serious. Many may look back on the "prohibition years" as the golden age - price wise. That being said, it is long overdue and the people of Cuba, and their relatives here deserve a normalization of relations and all the benfits associated with becoming a more open free market society. Castros regime needs to make the adjustments to make it happen though. At least until we nuke Iran and North Korea. (Castros latest rantings).
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08-26-2010, 02:22 PM | #8 | |
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I have to agree with Carlos on this one. For Fidel, opening up relations with the US will make him feel as a failure. He would feel as if he fought all those years "freeing" Cuba from the Batista regime was all for nothing. I don't know about you but I know that if I fought for something for decades and upheld my position on it then I would not go back. Not only is it hypocritical but at that point what face does he save with his supporters? |
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08-26-2010, 02:23 PM | #9 |
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08-26-2010, 02:26 PM | #10 |
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Man I wanna go to sooo bad.....I am just afraid I would end up on one of the "locked up abroad" episodes on the History Channel if I went now.
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08-26-2010, 02:38 PM | #11 |
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First, I agree with Dave as to what will happen to pricing when the embargo does end. Our government will jump on that tax source fast and hard, and cigar prices will rise dramatically. Supply and demand will also drive prices.
Secondly, I agree with Carlos that the Castros most likely see an end to the embargo as a threat to their power. But, their domination is in its twilight. Time goes on, and they won't. Lastly, and sadly, I think the embargo will end for the wrong reason. We've been involved in the Middle East since the end of WWII for one reason. I suspect we'll end the embargo and reengage with Cuba for the same reason. |
08-26-2010, 02:39 PM | #12 |
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11. Moe wants it lifted
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08-26-2010, 03:00 PM | #13 |
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actually Im a bit conflicted... I dont wanna see my prices go up, if you know what I mean
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08-26-2010, 05:05 PM | #15 |
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In relation to cigars, prices are a less concern to me than fakes... I can only imagine the spike in counterfeit habanos (and it's insanely bad as it is already).
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08-26-2010, 05:12 PM | #16 |
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There's bound to be an authorized retailer list. What's sad is imminent restructure of the NC market.
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08-26-2010, 05:41 PM | #17 |
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And for every authorized distributor, there's bound to be 300 grey/illegitimate ones out there to sucker the people who don't know any better.
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08-26-2010, 07:09 PM | #18 | |
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. . . . Agree with Carlos, but then both of us have actual real life experience living under the "wonderful" communist/fascist/socialist/progressive regime and all that entails. Funny that those who argue for lifting of the embargo have never lived nor experienced great life under a tyrant and do not understand that self-appointed ruler gods would never want democracy nor reaching out from USA, just the money that would keep them in power. Cuba used be live better in the days of USSR, once those huge subsidies ended with the fall of USSR Cuba basically started falling apart. The only way to deal with this is to starve the beast even more. Castro just allowed private business a la latter day Russia/China, if we starve them more people there will finally realize they can change things. BTW, today Cuba announced that they will no longer subsidize locals' cigar buying and if they want to smoke cigars they would need to pay same prices outsiders do. Will be interesting to see how people of Cuba react to that. |
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08-26-2010, 07:22 PM | #19 | |
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Personally, I'd be happy if restrictions were relaxed on the purchase of some items of Cuban origin (to conveniently include cigars) from third-party sources...but that would probably have similar effects to what Klugs cited.
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08-26-2010, 09:38 PM | #20 | |
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