NHL 2013 Thread

icehog3 · 08-09-2012, 04:56 PM

Here's the new digs....

Issue Number #1.....will the season even start on time. Bettman says that if there is not a new CBA on Sept. 15th, the owners will be locking the players out.

Fehr says the sides are "far apart" on basic economic issues.

I'm already nervous that things aren't going to start on time. After cancelling the whole 2004 season, can the NHL afford to do this again so soon?

GreekGodX · 08-09-2012, 05:02 PM

No way the NHL can afford a lockout. They already struggle to get viewers. If this happens they will be losing a lot of money and interest.

Kinky_yk · 08-09-2012, 05:09 PM

Not looking good, who's at fault, the owners got everything they asked for last lockout now player salaries are up dramatically since 03, the rich owners are richer but the poor owners are poorer. The players (after feeling like they conceeded everything the owners wanted last time) won't be willing to make any concessions this time around. A lockout may be the only thing that saves a couple of the franchises from having to start cutting paychecks until ownership issues are fixed.

08-10-2012, 09:48 AM

After the offseason the Wild have had, I desperately hope that it starts on time. People have been absolutely buzzing in the Twin Cities area since July about the team.

As for the league as a whole, they definitely can't afford another labor issue like they had before. The league is making a comeback in a number of markets, at least. But therea re those that it appreas to be struggling in. The question that needs to beasked is if those markets were viable markets to begin with. Move franchises? Contract franchises? What's the best things to do? I have no idea. I do think that realignment will help the league out, though. Bring back some of the more natural geographic rivalries (I have the old Norris Division in mind).

357 · 08-10-2012, 11:13 AM

I'm with you on rekindling the old rivalries. Realignment is needed. Bettman doesn't get it though. I love watching hockey but it is primarily a regional sport. The league had the best product when it was a 21 team league. I doubt they can contract enough to get there, but eliminating two teams would help. 24-28 teams would be ideal. IMO the talent is spread too thin. That doesn't help the owners' position when it's time to negotiate. Guys who can score 25 goals are getting offered deals in the 9 digit range because there's no talent available. The poor wording of the existing CBA concerning long contracts is another reason. Any talent gets locked up for 10 years due to the lower cap hit. Maybe a soft cap like the NBA's is better. Not sure but trying to keep teams alive like the Panthers and the Coyotes look like a no win situation. If the league owns the teams, contract them, have a contraction draft and move on. End result is a better product. Problem is NHLPA won't go for it. Less players = less power/money for them.

CRIMPS · 08-10-2012, 12:39 PM

The stars finally have what looks to be responsible ownership. Its too bad there is a good chance the season will be impacted like this. Crossing fingers things change quickly, but history suggests otherwise.

08-10-2012, 09:15 PM

Hawks need Hossa for the start of the season. He says he'll be ready, but time will tell.

Bigwaved · 08-11-2012, 09:37 AM

I am not going to waste any time following the process. I will ramp up once they settle. This is becoming too common for the major sports...

Bruins Fan · 08-11-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigwaved

I am not going to waste any time following the process. I will ramp up once they settle. This is becoming too common for the major sports...

Yep me to..all the bull gets tiresome.

drjammer · 08-12-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruins Fan

Yep me to..all the bull gets tiresome.

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Originally Posted by Bigwaved

I am not going to waste any time following the process. I will ramp up once they settle. This is becoming too common for the major sports...

I agree as well but this is getting old especially when it is the only pro sport (besides the Broncos) that I truly follow. Hopefully they will get a CBA quickly but I am not holding out hope

Fredo456 · 08-30-2012, 03:16 PM

Whether the season starts on time or a little late, one thing is certain: This is long overdue.

icehog3 · 08-30-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo456

Whether the season starts on time or a little late, one thing is certain: This is long overdue.

Wouldn't hold my breath this season either, Fred...

drjammer · 08-31-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Wouldn't hold my breath this season either, Fred...

+1

shilala · 08-31-2012, 08:59 AM

The owners wants to get the salaries down. Right now players get 57% of the revenue. It's funny that the NBA was at the exact same place this past year.
NHL owners want to see 46%. That won't happen. 50%, like the NBA players agreed to, would go over pretty easy, I think.
Who doesn't feel that 50/50 is fair, right?

E.J. · 08-31-2012, 02:00 PM

At last nights game.....

Fredo456 · 08-31-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Wouldn't hold my breath this season either, Fred...

You're almost certainly right. I was just covering my eventual "What did I tell you" basis, in case it did happen. Realistically, though, I think it should happen within 5 years or so, considering the core of players and the upcoming prospects. (Hey, there's no "fingers crossed" smilie?)

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Originally Posted by shilala

The owners wants to get the salaries down. Right now players get 57% of the revenue. It's funny that the NBA was at the exact same place this past year.
NHL owners want to see 46%. That won't happen. 50%, like the NBA players agreed to, would go over pretty easy, I think.
Who doesn't feel that 50/50 is fair, right?

I'm for any agreement that would get the season started on time, but I don't count on it.

jonharky · 08-31-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Wouldn't hold my breath this season either, Fred...

Cause the red wings are going to win it this year right tom?

icehog3 · 09-01-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jonharky

Cause the red wings are going to win it this year right tom?

Only if Lidstrom and Gordie Howe come out of retirement.

jonharky · 09-01-2012, 04:26 AM

I hope its not true but I have a feeling that if they play red wings will either just barely make the playoffs or fail miserably I don't think they are going to be the dominate team they once were

E.J. · 09-04-2012, 01:06 PM

Avs make Landeskog the youngest C in NHL history, at the age of 19. Hejduk gave up the C and moves to an A with Stastny.....

08-09-2012, 05:02 PM	#2
GreekGodX Opa!! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Christos Location: 7 Line Posts: 4,893 Trading: (82)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread No way the NHL can afford a lockout. They already struggle to get viewers. If this happens they will be losing a lot of money and interest. __________________ "If I give a businessman 10,000 francs, what is that to him, he is rich. But if I give him a Cohiba cigar, that is style."-Hotel Rwanda

08-09-2012, 05:09 PM	#3
Kinky_yk Just in from the Storm Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Jeff Location: Yellowknife, Northwest Territories Posts: 30 Trading: (0)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread Not looking good, who's at fault, the owners got everything they asked for last lockout now player salaries are up dramatically since 03, the rich owners are richer but the poor owners are poorer. The players (after feeling like they conceeded everything the owners wanted last time) won't be willing to make any concessions this time around. A lockout may be the only thing that saves a couple of the franchises from having to start cutting paychecks until ownership issues are fixed.

08-10-2012, 09:48 AM	#4
Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread After the offseason the Wild have had, I desperately hope that it starts on time. People have been absolutely buzzing in the Twin Cities area since July about the team. As for the league as a whole, they definitely can't afford another labor issue like they had before. The league is making a comeback in a number of markets, at least. But therea re those that it appreas to be struggling in. The question that needs to beasked is if those markets were viable markets to begin with. Move franchises? Contract franchises? What's the best things to do? I have no idea. I do think that realignment will help the league out, though. Bring back some of the more natural geographic rivalries (I have the old Norris Division in mind).

08-10-2012, 11:13 AM	#5
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread I'm with you on rekindling the old rivalries. Realignment is needed. Bettman doesn't get it though. I love watching hockey but it is primarily a regional sport. The league had the best product when it was a 21 team league. I doubt they can contract enough to get there, but eliminating two teams would help. 24-28 teams would be ideal. IMO the talent is spread too thin. That doesn't help the owners' position when it's time to negotiate. Guys who can score 25 goals are getting offered deals in the 9 digit range because there's no talent available. The poor wording of the existing CBA concerning long contracts is another reason. Any talent gets locked up for 10 years due to the lower cap hit. Maybe a soft cap like the NBA's is better. Not sure but trying to keep teams alive like the Panthers and the Coyotes look like a no win situation. If the league owns the teams, contract them, have a contraction draft and move on. End result is a better product. Problem is NHLPA won't go for it. Less players = less power/money for them. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

08-10-2012, 12:39 PM	#6
CRIMPS Benn/Seguin best friends Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Zach Location: North Texas Posts: 1,520 Trading: (50)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread The stars finally have what looks to be responsible ownership. Its too bad there is a good chance the season will be impacted like this. Crossing fingers things change quickly, but history suggests otherwise. __________________ I'm a Dallas Stars fan. So, yes, this is a confusing time for me.

08-09-2012, 04:56 PM	#1
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,257 Trading: (60)	NHL 2013 Thread Here's the new digs.... Issue Number #1.....will the season even start on time. Bettman says that if there is not a new CBA on Sept. 15th, the owners will be locking the players out. Fehr says the sides are "far apart" on basic economic issues. I'm already nervous that things aren't going to start on time. After cancelling the whole 2004 season, can the NHL afford to do this again so soon? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-10-2012, 09:15 PM	#7
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread Hawks need Hossa for the start of the season. He says he'll be ready, but time will tell.

08-11-2012, 09:37 AM	#8
Bigwaved 99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lilliput Posts: 812 Trading: (3)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread I am not going to waste any time following the process. I will ramp up once they settle. This is becoming too common for the major sports...

08-31-2012, 08:59 AM	#14
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread The owners wants to get the salaries down. Right now players get 57% of the revenue. It's funny that the NBA was at the exact same place this past year. NHL owners want to see 46%. That won't happen. 50%, like the NBA players agreed to, would go over pretty easy, I think. Who doesn't feel that 50/50 is fair, right? __________________

08-31-2012, 02:00 PM	#15
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread At last nights game.....

09-01-2012, 04:26 AM	#19
jonharky Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Jon Location: The Yak, MI Posts: 892 Trading: (1)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread I hope its not true but I have a feeling that if they play red wings will either just barely make the playoffs or fail miserably I don't think they are going to be the dominate team they once were __________________ "I don't want to have it all, I just want to have enough!!

09-04-2012, 01:06 PM	#20
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: NHL '12 - '13 Thread Avs make Landeskog the youngest C in NHL history, at the age of 19. Hejduk gave up the C and moves to an A with Stastny.....