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icehog3 · 02-26-2012, 08:03 PM

I have heard of knowledgable collectors aging their cigars in the 50s, so I don't think that will harm them...though I don't plan on trying it, still seems too dry to me.

80+ will likely do serious wrapper damage to cigars in the long run, so much moisture in the cigar is bound to expand the filler.

T.G · 02-26-2012, 08:04 PM

Storing in high RH is also begging for mold problems.

Realistically speaking, anything over about 75 is going to be difficult to smoke. It's not going to burn well, it might not stay lit and it's going very likely taste quite bitter and sour.

icehog3 · 02-26-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Storing in high RH is also begging for mold problems.

Absolutely.

Fredo456 · 02-27-2012, 05:17 PM

About aging (cigars, of course):

What types of cigars will age well? (I'm not talking about the few months apperently required, in an ideal world, of any cigar, but of the long term aging, of at least a few years)?

I have read about some cigars losing all their flavour if they are aged too much, so what doesn't age well?

Finally, because a coolidor doesn't breathe, some say that it can't be used to age cigars. Any truth to that?

Thanks again for your wisdom gentlemen.

kydsid · 02-28-2012, 08:03 AM

What types of cigars will age well? (I'm not talking about the few months apperently required, in an ideal world, of any cigar, but of the long term aging, of at least a few years)?

As you are talking about years, decades and more most of the worldwide experience is in aging Cuban Cigars because Non-Cuban cigars haven't been around nearly as long and the production techniques are so different. NC's cure and age loose tobacco fro several years and then roll where as Cuban leaf is cured and rolled. Most Cubans age well, some would say even require aging. Although the changes in processing over the last 10 years in Cuban production have changed things considerably if you ask me. That said some NC's do age well. Many, myself included have had good luck with aging Padron's and Fuentes (Opus and Anejos specifically). As for Cubans many will let them age at least a year or two before even trying. In the end some like em fresh others like them aged. It really is personal prefference and it's fun to find out what you like, provided you can keep you hands off them. The easy way though is to pay for aged cigars. There are sources that you can buy from with 10 years or more already in aging.

I have read about some cigars losing all their flavour if they are aged too much, so what doesn't age well?

This is possible with any cigar really. And it is really dependent on the long term conditions. I have had the opportunity several times to smoke the same aged cigars and had bland and fantastic ones, even when the fantastic one was actually older. There are lots of variables and I personally don't subscribe to the theory that any one particular brand or vitola will not age well. And given that you could safely, IMO, say that a Cuban cigar will not loose anything with 5, maybe even 10 years of age it's going to be a while, maybe never that I ever find that out.

Finally, because a coolidor doesn't breathe, some say that it can't be used to age cigars. Any truth to that?

Sounds like total bunk to me. Many of the vastly more experienced smokers than myself use vacumm sealing for long term aging. Even the English, the originators of the aging idea, used to seal individual boxes with wax paper for long term storage, read 20+ years. Now lack of air may slow the process down, but are you truly not going to open a cooler for 10+ years? More likely it will be opened every 6 months at the longest, and really should be to inspect your investment. That will provide an instant air exchange, removing the idea of no breathing.

Ogre · 02-28-2012, 09:49 PM

FFP from EricF, Thanks Brother.

MurphysLaw · 02-28-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ogre

FFP from EricF, Thanks Brother.

Is that a question?

StormShadow · 02-29-2012, 05:58 PM

I am waiting on my humidor which is in the mail right now. Currently I am using a Tupperware container with a humicare crystals container. (cigars have only been in there since this past Sunday) I have noticed that some of the cigars became a little "squishy". Should I remove them from the container and put them in my herfador? I'm not sure what the humidity is in the container as my hygrometer is currently sitting in the boveda calibration bag. It just got here in the mail today.

Also I just got 2 boxes of cigars, would it be better if I removed them and put them in the tupperware container or just leave them in their box?

Thanks in advance for help

bobarian · 02-29-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by StormShadow

I am waiting on my humidor which is in the mail right now. Currently I am using a Tupperware c

StormShadow · 02-29-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

I was on my iPod when i posted and accidentally hit the submit button. Message has been edited.

NCRadioMan · 02-29-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by StormShadow

I am waiting on my humidor which is in the mail right now. Currently I am using a Tupperware container with a humicare crystals container. (cigars have only been in there since this past Sunday) I have noticed that some of the cigars became a little "squishy". Should I remove them from the container and put them in my herfador? I'm not sure what the humidity is in the container as my hygrometer is currently sitting in the boveda calibration bag. It just got here in the mail today.

Also I just got 2 boxes of cigars, would it be better if I removed them and put them in the tupperware container or just leave them in their box?

Thanks in advance for help

Remove the Humicare and place all the cigars in the tupperware. You don't really need humidification in a tupperware container. As you have learned, it's too much. Leave them in there till you get your humidor seasoned and ready to go.

TJtorpedo · 03-01-2012, 06:47 PM

For cigars in sealed tubos, glass or otherwise, when in the humidor, is it best to leave them completely sealed, crack the caps a little, or leave the stopper out completely?

Also, do I understand correctly that if a cigar is sealed in a tube with no air exchange, it will just recycle it's own humidity? Will that last indefinitely?

Pseudosacred · 03-01-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TJtorpedo

Also, do I understand correctly that if a cigar is sealed in a tube with no air exchange, it will just recycle it's own humidity? Will that last indefinitely?

I know that is false. Even cigars in tubes need to be humidified or they risk getting dried out. I thought the same thing, but was instructued different by an employee at a B&M. As for the other part of your question, I'm uncertain which method works best for keeping a tubed cigar humid. I would think that it would be fine with the tube closed?

CigarNut · 03-01-2012, 06:57 PM

A cigar in a sealed tubo inside your humidor will be fine. Some people open the tubes and some don't. Just like some people leave the cello on and some don't. It all boils down to personal choice.

Try it one way and see if you like it...

StormShadow · 03-03-2012, 12:47 PM

Why is it that I have about 40-50 cigars in a tupperware container with no humidification device and the humidity level keeps getting to 78-80. Is this ok? I thought it was supposed to be between 62-70 from what I have read.

pnoon · 03-03-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StormShadow

Why is it that I have about 40-50 cigars in a tupperware container with no humidification device and the humidity level keeps getting to 78-80. Is this ok? I thought it was supposed to be between 62-70 from what I have read.

What is the ambient temperature in the area where you keep the tupperware? Also, what RH were the cigars at when you put them in there?

StormShadow · 03-03-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

What is the ambient temperature in the area where you keep the tupperware? Also, what RH were the cigars at when you put them in there?

The ambient temperature is anywhere between 68-72. As for the RH of the cigars when i put them in there, I'm not sure. I got them them from cbid and CI. I had 12 in the tupperware container first for about 2 days with a Humicare crystals jar but then I was told i should take it out so i did. then about 3 days after i put in 32 more cigars and ever since it starts out at 70 when i close the lid and climbs. Ive been opening the lid til it drops to about 68 then close it again.

SteelCityBoy · 03-03-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by StormShadow

Why is it that I have about 40-50 cigars in a tupperware container with no humidification device and the humidity level keeps getting to 78-80. Is this ok? I thought it was supposed to be between 62-70 from what I have read.

I would have to assume that you currently residing in a high humidity climate right now and that might be the cause of what you are seeing with your tupperware container. Not many storage devices are air-tight and if the outside humidity is high like that it can affect the RH where you are keeping your cigars.

This is the reason why so many people seek humidification control devices in high humidity climates so that they can keep their cigars at a more adaquate 60%-70% RH. Smoking preferances differ on RH from what I have read. Some people prefer it on the dryer side around 60% and others upwards of 70%. The problem is that when cigars are subjected to RH over 75% for a consistent amount of time they can tend to have burn issues (going out often) and not to mention the dreaded beetle problems when temperature and RH are at a prime condition for beetles to become active.

Personally, if I lived in a region that had constant high humidity I would either invest in a humidor with control devices or at least purchase a de-humidification device for the room where I was storing them.

However, if the humidity in your area is forcasted to drop soon then maybe you'll be just fine!

I have always thought of Texas to be a rather dry state but that might not be the case where you live. I used to live in Tampa, FL and that was a whole different ballgame where it was pretty much 80% RH all year!

Hope this helps....

bobarian · 03-03-2012, 01:00 PM

Also, its a good idea to check and calibrate your hygrometer by using the salt test or a Boveda test kit.

pnoon · 03-03-2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormShadow

The ambient temperature is anywhere between 68-72. As for the RH of the cigars when i put them in there, I'm not sure. I got them them from cbid and CI. I had 12 in the tupperware container first for about 2 days with a Humicare crystals jar but then I was told i should take it out so i did. then about 3 days after i put in 32 more cigars and ever since it starts out at 70 when i close the lid and climbs. Ive been opening the lid til it drops to about 68 then close it again.

D'OH!
I meant to ask what is the ambient RH?

CI (and most online vendors) tends to ship their cigars "wetter" than the desired 62-70 % RH. This might explain the higher RH in your tupperware.

02-26-2012, 08:03 PM	#1801
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I have heard of knowledgable collectors aging their cigars in the 50s, so I don't think that will harm them...though I don't plan on trying it, still seems too dry to me. 80+ will likely do serious wrapper damage to cigars in the long run, so much moisture in the cigar is bound to expand the filler. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

02-26-2012, 08:04 PM	#1802
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Storing in high RH is also begging for mold problems. Realistically speaking, anything over about 75 is going to be difficult to smoke. It's not going to burn well, it might not stay lit and it's going very likely taste quite bitter and sour.

02-27-2012, 05:17 PM	#1804
Fredo456 Addicted Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Fred Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 143 Trading: (3)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) About aging (cigars, of course): What types of cigars will age well? (I'm not talking about the few months apperently required, in an ideal world, of any cigar, but of the long term aging, of at least a few years)? I have read about some cigars losing all their flavour if they are aged too much, so what doesn't age well? Finally, because a coolidor doesn't breathe, some say that it can't be used to age cigars. Any truth to that? Thanks again for your wisdom gentlemen.

02-28-2012, 08:03 AM	#1805
kydsid Ditat Deus Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Jason Location: Among the Pines Posts: 2,361 Trading: (46)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) What types of cigars will age well? (I'm not talking about the few months apperently required, in an ideal world, of any cigar, but of the long term aging, of at least a few years)? As you are talking about years, decades and more most of the worldwide experience is in aging Cuban Cigars because Non-Cuban cigars haven't been around nearly as long and the production techniques are so different. NC's cure and age loose tobacco fro several years and then roll where as Cuban leaf is cured and rolled. Most Cubans age well, some would say even require aging. Although the changes in processing over the last 10 years in Cuban production have changed things considerably if you ask me. That said some NC's do age well. Many, myself included have had good luck with aging Padron's and Fuentes (Opus and Anejos specifically). As for Cubans many will let them age at least a year or two before even trying. In the end some like em fresh others like them aged. It really is personal prefference and it's fun to find out what you like, provided you can keep you hands off them. The easy way though is to pay for aged cigars. There are sources that you can buy from with 10 years or more already in aging. I have read about some cigars losing all their flavour if they are aged too much, so what doesn't age well? This is possible with any cigar really. And it is really dependent on the long term conditions. I have had the opportunity several times to smoke the same aged cigars and had bland and fantastic ones, even when the fantastic one was actually older. There are lots of variables and I personally don't subscribe to the theory that any one particular brand or vitola will not age well. And given that you could safely, IMO, say that a Cuban cigar will not loose anything with 5, maybe even 10 years of age it's going to be a while, maybe never that I ever find that out. Finally, because a coolidor doesn't breathe, some say that it can't be used to age cigars. Any truth to that? Sounds like total bunk to me. Many of the vastly more experienced smokers than myself use vacumm sealing for long term aging. Even the English, the originators of the aging idea, used to seal individual boxes with wax paper for long term storage, read 20+ years. Now lack of air may slow the process down, but are you truly not going to open a cooler for 10+ years? More likely it will be opened every 6 months at the longest, and really should be to inspect your investment. That will provide an instant air exchange, removing the idea of no breathing. __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade

02-28-2012, 09:49 PM	#1806
Ogre **CENSORED** Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Larry Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,068 Trading: (46)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) FFP from EricF, Thanks Brother. __________________

02-29-2012, 05:58 PM	#1808
StormShadow Just in from the Storm Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Jerry Location: Lackland AFB, San Antonio, Texas Posts: 14 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I am waiting on my humidor which is in the mail right now. Currently I am using a Tupperware container with a humicare crystals container. (cigars have only been in there since this past Sunday) I have noticed that some of the cigars became a little "squishy". Should I remove them from the container and put them in my herfador? I'm not sure what the humidity is in the container as my hygrometer is currently sitting in the boveda calibration bag. It just got here in the mail today. Also I just got 2 boxes of cigars, would it be better if I removed them and put them in the tupperware container or just leave them in their box? Thanks in advance for help

03-01-2012, 06:47 PM	#1812
TJtorpedo Feeling at Home Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Tim Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) For cigars in sealed tubos, glass or otherwise, when in the humidor, is it best to leave them completely sealed, crack the caps a little, or leave the stopper out completely? Also, do I understand correctly that if a cigar is sealed in a tube with no air exchange, it will just recycle it's own humidity? Will that last indefinitely?

03-01-2012, 06:57 PM	#1814
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03-03-2012, 12:47 PM	#1815
StormShadow Just in from the Storm Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Jerry Location: Lackland AFB, San Antonio, Texas Posts: 14 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Why is it that I have about 40-50 cigars in a tupperware container with no humidification device and the humidity level keeps getting to 78-80. Is this ok? I thought it was supposed to be between 62-70 from what I have read.

03-03-2012, 01:00 PM	#1819
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Also, its a good idea to check and calibrate your hygrometer by using the salt test or a Boveda test kit. Last edited by bobarian; 03-03-2012 at 01:11 PM.