stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet - Page 9

Genetic Defect · 02-26-2009, 11:31 PM

wow! Tab was a coke product. didn't know that.

Raralith · 02-27-2009, 12:18 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_experiment

Read the description for "Double-blind trails."

02-27-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raralith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_experiment

Read the description for "Double-blind trails."

We're going to be like cigar aficianado!

icehog3 · 02-27-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Raralith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_experiment

Read the description for "Double-blind trails."

Are those for visually challenged hikers?

02-27-2009, 09:38 AM

Your differentiation between smoke shop and b&m is sort of muddled. By your logic most shops out there would fall under both categories depending on what brand you are referring to. Padron, Ashton, Fuente, etc...all require a certain intial box purchase followed up with a certain number of facings to become an authorized dealer. This binds you to their recommended MSRP and allows you to obtain alloted cigars In fact most cigar companies do. Unless you have a warehouse you can't really hope to become authorize for all non cuban cigars out there.

Just my .02, its not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I will say that I have noticed... and this is totally anecdotal. I have run across a few reps, Torano's come to mind, that carry cello wrapped sample packs for giving out at shops. To me these ALWAYS smoke better than the boxed counterparts....

not sure if its in my head. Maybe I'm just stoked to be smoking a free cigar. Maybe there is something to that.

Starscream · 02-27-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pmp

Your differentiation between smoke shop and b&m is sort of muddled. By your logic most shops out there would fall under both categories depending on what brand you are referring to. Padron, Ashton, Fuente, etc...all require a certain intial box purchase followed up with a certain number of facings to become an authorized dealer. This binds you to their recommended MSRP and allows you to obtain alloted cigars In fact most cigar companies do. Unless you have a warehouse you can't really hope to become authorize for all non cuban cigars out there.

Just my .02, its not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I will say that I have noticed... and this is totally anecdotal. I have run across a few reps, Torano's come to mind, that carry cello wrapped sample packs for giving out at shops. To me these ALWAYS smoke better than the boxed counterparts....

not sure if its in my head. Maybe I'm just stoked to be smoking a free cigar. Maybe there is something to that.

I'm not organizing this trial, but let's just say that CI, JR, and Holts are the internet retailers (even if they do have B&Ms). All of the mom and pop B&Ms, and even places like the Tinderbox we will consider B&Ms (for this test purpose only, if it even is a test). I know that leaves out a lot of other places, but those are the two extremes.

Genetic Defect · 02-27-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Are those for visually challenged hikers?

blind leading the blind?

02-27-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pmp

Just my .02, its not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I will say that I have noticed... and this is totally anecdotal. I have run across a few reps, Torano's come to mind, that carry cello wrapped sample packs for giving out at shops. To me these ALWAYS smoke better than the boxed counterparts....

not sure if its in my head. Maybe I'm just stoked to be smoking a free cigar. Maybe there is something to that.

Interesting observation. Maybe a Good B&M Owner knows how to get more of these Sticks!! Who knows?!

02-28-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Interesting observation. Maybe a Good B&M Owner knows how to get more of these Sticks!! Who knows?!

From what I have heard, and I'm sure this differs from company to company but I don't think the reps are supposed to leave those with the shop. That said I have yet to leave a smoker where the rep didn't give a good portion of the remaining samples to the shop.

I'm sure we have some reps that frequent here. Maybe they could chime in.

02-28-2009, 08:56 AM

I'll ask again.

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Originally Posted by ahc4353

Question for the OP. Are any other guys that hang out with you at your Lounge members of CA? I would like to read their thoughts. Please link me if I missed their input.

Thanks

CoventryCat86 · 02-28-2009, 09:00 AM

I don't think there is any such difference between what you call "internet cigars" and "local B&M." There's just simply no way they can be segregated from one another during the distribution process.

tedrodgerscpa · 02-28-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I don't know how to run the statistics on that type of experimental design. Anybody???

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Originally Posted by jkim05

SPSS Analysis? lol.

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Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Nah, go old school....... miniTab.

SPSS is for girls....

SAS is the bomb

Don't you need those 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in order to run miniTab?!?

WildBlueSooner · 02-28-2009, 10:14 AM

Everyday I pray that this thread will not have any new posts that I have to read and everyday there are more. Damn it people!

mithrilG60 · 02-28-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tedrodgerscpa

Don't you need those 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in order to run miniTab?!?

Pretty sure I used 3.5' floppy's for it in uni, that was also 12 or 13 years ago but I'm sure that 5.25" floppy's were dead antiques even then

Thankfully I haven't had to do any statistical analysis since I finished that course......

Totemic · 02-28-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86

I don't think there is any such difference between what you call "internet cigars" and "local B&M." There's just simply no way they can be segregated from one another during the distribution process.

Indeed.
Considering there are so many other factors that can influence the flavor of a given cigar, it seems like an unlikely stretch to imply there's a conspiracy on the part of the manufacturer to supply B&Ms with "good cigars" vs. internet distributors with "bad cigars".

Following Occam's razor, it's probably as simple as: B&M cigars are either aged longer and/or stored in a more consistent environment than some internet cigar distributors (I suspect it's just a bit more aged since my B&M rarely move large amounts of cigars--I think the Oliva V's they got in about 6+ months ago are still sitting on their shelves).

I personally, have not noticed any difference in the flavor. And since these days I tend to gravitate to the same half dozen or so blends, I've been mixing various cigars from both my B&M and those I purchased online. For instance, my stash of Oliva V torps consist of about 2 boxes worth of cigars. I have one full box that I got from an online distributor and the rest are a mix of Vs from online and those I bought from my B&M when almost none of the online vendors had them in stock.

Ditto with my Oliva Gs, DPGs, Padrons, and Ashtons. I don't even think about where the cigars came from, just how long it's been in my humidor--I ususally try to grab the oldest first.

Totemic · 02-28-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Pretty sure I used 3.5' floppy's for it in uni, that was also 12 or 13 years ago but I'm sure that 5.25" floppy's were dead antiques even then

Thankfully I haven't had to do any statistical analysis since I finished that course......

Damn youngsters..
I'm old enough to know what a 8" floppy disk looks like. I'm also old enough to know that if you have a hole puncher, you just turned all those single sided floppy disks into double sided floppies with twice the storage!

Genetic Defect · 02-28-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Pretty sure I used 3.5' floppy's for it in uni, that was also 12 or 13 years ago but I'm sure that 5.25" floppy's were dead antiques even then

Thankfully I haven't had to do any statistical analysis since I finished that course......

not in '93

TheRiddick · 02-28-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Totemic

Damn youngsters..
I'm old enough to know what a 8" floppy disk looks like. I'm also old enough to know that if you have a hole puncher, you just turned all those single sided floppy disks into double sided floppies with twice the storage!

My first job programming job I had to use keypunch machines/cards, floppies appeared years later with first PCs. Or maybe with PDP 10/11?

02-28-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ahc4353

I'll ask again.

Members of my lounge here? Not that I know of. Savor the stick went to the lounge a few times but has since relocated to orange county and never took part in any tests. Probably my fault. I haven't really shared the asylum with the botl there. However, this notion actually came from the guys there who had gone on trips to Honduras and the Dominican. I'll be on the next trip to Nicaragua in may. We will be guests of don pepin Garcia. I'll ask him directly and tell you what he says.

md4958 · 02-28-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

We will be guests of don pepin Garcia. I'll ask him directly and tell you what he says.

Its ok, I'll ask Don Pepin when hes at Habana Premium in Albany, NY on May 4th, and report back

02-26-2009, 11:31 PM	#161
Genetic Defect difetosso Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Perry Location: An elevator Posts: 5,202 Trading: (5)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet wow! Tab was a coke product. didn't know that. __________________ I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got wanderlust branded deeper than the bone

02-27-2009, 12:18 AM	#162
Raralith Death to the Unbelievers Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 475 Trading: (24)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_experiment Read the description for "Double-blind trails."

02-27-2009, 09:38 AM	#165
pmp Guest Posts: n/a	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet Your differentiation between smoke shop and b&m is sort of muddled. By your logic most shops out there would fall under both categories depending on what brand you are referring to. Padron, Ashton, Fuente, etc...all require a certain intial box purchase followed up with a certain number of facings to become an authorized dealer. This binds you to their recommended MSRP and allows you to obtain alloted cigars In fact most cigar companies do. Unless you have a warehouse you can't really hope to become authorize for all non cuban cigars out there. Just my .02, its not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I will say that I have noticed... and this is totally anecdotal. I have run across a few reps, Torano's come to mind, that carry cello wrapped sample packs for giving out at shops. To me these ALWAYS smoke better than the boxed counterparts.... not sure if its in my head. Maybe I'm just stoked to be smoking a free cigar. Maybe there is something to that.

02-28-2009, 09:00 AM	#171
CoventryCat86 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The North East Posts: 65 Trading: (0)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet I don't think there is any such difference between what you call "internet cigars" and "local B&M." There's just simply no way they can be segregated from one another during the distribution process.

02-28-2009, 10:14 AM	#173
WildBlueSooner I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: James Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,322 Trading: (19)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet Everyday I pray that this thread will not have any new posts that I have to read and everyday there are more. Damn it people!