Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) - Page 83

Doctorossi · 12-07-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Flounder

Thanks. I know what tar is obviously. But have never experienced this issue, granted I don't smoke real strong cigars.

I've experienced some pretty heavy tar seepage on a couple of not-very-strong cigars, as well. Be prepared.

Blak Smyth · 12-07-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CigarNut

Some cigars, often labeled as "strong" produce more tar. Tar is a black viscous fluid that can form on the end of the cigar as you smoke it. It tastes bad. You need to recut your cigar to get rid of it -- and it may come back again.

Tar can often appear to build up more when using a punch because the area you draw through is smaller. For me this is one of the biggest advantages of a cutter over a punch.

Exactly! Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Flounder

What kind of tar issue? I punched for a while, and just recently went back to cutting, but as far as I am aware, I have never had any sort of tar issue? Please explain.

It can ruin my night, ussually I have to perge the crap out of it when it happens and then cut it back a little.
If you punch rather than cut it can work a bit like a funnel for the smoke but also for the tar. I don't know enough about why or how the tar forms but I do know it has only happened once to me when using a cutter and maybe a dozen times using a punch.

mkarnold1 · 12-07-2011, 03:18 PM

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

ir13 · 12-07-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mkarnold1

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

Cutting, then purging has solved this issue for me on more than one occasion.

Blak Smyth · 12-07-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ir13

Cutting, then purging has solved this issue for me on more than one occasion.

Yes unless the tar touches your lips, it is horrible!
I was smoking some small mini AFs for a while until I had one that produced all kinds of tar and it got all over my lips before I noticed it. That ruined my night! It doesn't happen often but eventually you will see it if you like to punch!

Doctorossi · 12-07-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mkarnold1

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

"Solve" might be strong, but with a combination of some judicious re-cutting, a strong purge and careful smoking, I can usually whip the sucker back into shape.

mkarnold1 · 12-07-2011, 04:13 PM

Thanks for the knowledge guys.

longknocker · 12-07-2011, 04:32 PM

Also, I Still Smoke Way Too Fast Even After 3+ Years Of Cigar Smoking.

Slow Down & Your Cigar Will Taste So Much Better!

Less Tar & Harshness!

mkarnold1 · 12-07-2011, 05:07 PM

I smoke very fast as well. Perhaps I just like tar?

Carmack · 12-07-2011, 06:48 PM

Box question: do most boxes come with dates on them?

pnoon · 12-07-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmack

Box question: do most boxes come with dates on them?

With an emphasis on "most"
Cubans - yes.
Non-Cubans - no.

NCRadioMan · 12-07-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

With an emphasis on "most"
Cubans - yes.
Non-Cubans - no.

This is changing rapidly. I would say most boutique brands do put dates on boxes now.

pnoon · 12-07-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

This is changing rapidly. I would say most boutique brands do put dates on boxes now.

Thank you Mr. Lovebiscuit.

CigarNut · 12-07-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

Yes unless the tar touches your lips, it is horrible!
I was smoking some small mini AFs for a while until I had one that produced all kinds of tar and it got all over my lips before I noticed it. That ruined my night! It doesn't happen often but eventually you will see it if you like to punch!

Although one of my favorite smokes, I think that the AF Hemingway's are the "tarriest" sticks that I smoke... I almost never have tar on any other stick and I have had tar on many AF sticks... I suspect it may be related to higher nicotine content, but have no data to back this up.

theonlybear4CORT · 12-09-2011, 10:26 PM

oh i want to bump this thread and my cousin asked me this and I don't know how to answer it. "how come some smokes make a lot of smoke and some don't"? so what does everyone think here?

T.G · 12-10-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sonic_mike

oh i want to bump this thread and my cousin asked me this and I don't know how to answer it. "how come some smokes make a lot of smoke and some don't"? so what does everyone think here?

Combustion and the roll. Good burn and lots of air passages will give you a ton of smoke. Restricting either will reduce the total volume of smoke.

Lots of things can play into the combustion - leaf type, how it's packed, how moist it is, how high the ambient humidity is where you are smoking, etc. The roll, or air passages are mostly all governed by how the cigar was bunched, but can also be affected by how moist the cigar is (wet cigars, the leaves can swell and cause a restricted or tight draw).

Might also want to take a look at these comments from Steve Saka (President, Drew Estates), as he talks about his cigars, but explains in a bit more detail than I've given here.
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=51516

theonlybear4CORT · 12-10-2011, 04:12 PM

Thanks Adam.

12-12-2011, 12:47 PM

How low does the RH have to go before a cigar is noticeably damaged in flavour? I realize that it's all subjective, but there has to be some sort of general area, such as below 60, below 50, etc. for a week, a month, what-have-you. I don't mean actual wrapper cracking and falling apart, just the point where the oils and sugars begin to dissipate in a way that affects the enjoyment of the stick.

kydsid · 12-12-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Diths0er

How low does the RH have to go before a cigar is noticeably damaged in flavour? I realize that it's all subjective, but there has to be some sort of general area, such as below 60, below 50, etc. for a week, a month, what-have-you. I don't mean actual wrapper cracking and falling apart, just the point where the oils and sugars begin to dissipate in a way that affects the enjoyment of the stick.

Flavor is subjective to the person and from cigar to cigar. But, long term storage (read years) below 55% will most like do some damage. The lower from there the shorter it will take because its relative to the differential in the environment to the cigar.

So say its stored at 20% for a month. That would most likely ruin the cigar, but a month at 50% most likely wouldn't, it may alter it but outright ruin is debatable.

longknocker · 12-12-2011, 04:24 PM

My Cigars Are Lower RH In The Winter: 60-63. They Seem To Smoke Fine, Though. I Prefer 63-65.

12-07-2011, 03:18 PM	#1643
mkarnold1 Skol Vikings! Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Mark Location: St. Charles, MN Posts: 1,015 Trading: (22)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue? __________________ [Help out the troops!

12-07-2011, 04:13 PM	#1647
mkarnold1 Skol Vikings! Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Mark Location: St. Charles, MN Posts: 1,015 Trading: (22)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Thanks for the knowledge guys. __________________ [Help out the troops!

12-07-2011, 04:32 PM	#1648
longknocker Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 11,174 Trading: (82)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Also, I Still Smoke Way Too Fast Even After 3+ Years Of Cigar Smoking. Slow Down & Your Cigar Will Taste So Much Better! Less Tar & Harshness!

12-07-2011, 05:07 PM	#1649
mkarnold1 Skol Vikings! Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Mark Location: St. Charles, MN Posts: 1,015 Trading: (22)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I smoke very fast as well. Perhaps I just like tar? __________________ [Help out the troops!

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theonlybear4CORT RIP Nick Montano Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Santa Rosa Posts: 2,040 Trading: (14)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) oh i want to bump this thread and my cousin asked me this and I don't know how to answer it. "how come some smokes make a lot of smoke and some don't"? so what does everyone think here?

12-10-2011, 04:12 PM	#1657
theonlybear4CORT RIP Nick Montano Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Santa Rosa Posts: 2,040 Trading: (14)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Thanks Adam.

12-12-2011, 12:47 PM	#1658
Diths0er Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) How low does the RH have to go before a cigar is noticeably damaged in flavour? I realize that it's all subjective, but there has to be some sort of general area, such as below 60, below 50, etc. for a week, a month, what-have-you. I don't mean actual wrapper cracking and falling apart, just the point where the oils and sugars begin to dissipate in a way that affects the enjoyment of the stick.

12-12-2011, 04:24 PM	#1660
longknocker Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 11,174 Trading: (82)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) My Cigars Are Lower RH In The Winter: 60-63. They Seem To Smoke Fine, Though. I Prefer 63-65.