Sometimes you call a spade a spade - Page 8

The Poet · 07-29-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ggainey

I don't have a dog in the fight so to speak, but I like a lot of the other folks on here, hate to see this kind of thing happen cause it hurts us all.

bigloo · 07-29-2009, 04:35 PM

Paying my bills and especially my taxes depresses the sh!t out of me... I still do it. That is a very sad excuse.

Icehog, restraint is what lands people in the comfy chair, let it out tough guy!

07-30-2009, 03:41 AM

I've also not recieved stogies I''ve paid for from Dan that frankly I could have used to buy from elsewhere. I've had PM's from him saying "they are on their way" etc then others saying they're not which has been confusing and I've guessed that he was copy and pasting messages to multiple people as they all seemed kinda impersonal for him. I suppose if he'd said "Sorry, I can't get them to you at all and your money's gone too" I'd have at least known where I stood.

I've not really commented to others about this at all as I didn't want to come across as an arse but that said I didn't know others had been ripped off too, certainly not to the degree that some have.
In Dans defence I should say that whenever he's messaged me I've stressed to him that there was no hurry as I got the impression he was under the weather and having a tough time. I've done trades with Dan in the past and can honestly say I've always trusted him, and received what he said he would send, and I still hope he'll make good at some point in the future...whenever that may be.

Lots of folks have made fair comments regarding being ripped off and his lame excuses, and although it's easy for me to say "no hurries" to him I've only spent $60, not $600+ and if I had spent that much and not recieved what I'd paid for I would no doubt have got the police involved to some degree and certainly wouldn't have been as patient as what I have been.

One thing that did nark me was that I mentioned in chat about buying from a vendor on here (I won't name, what's the point!) and he slated the guy instantly saying about previous purchases that had gone bad, been delayed etc and even went as far as to send me links to threads slagging the vendor off...kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black! As it happened I bought them from the same vendor anyway and was amazed at how fast they got here to the UK from the states.

I just get the gut feeling things have gotten on top of him and he's struggled to deal with things and not put his hands up to the problems as quickly as he could have done. I wish him well and a speedy recovery and if he can he should make good on the deals when he can regardless of being banned, even if it is just to make himself feel a bit better about the whole thing.

Can I ask if anyone has heard from him recently and has anyone who's been waiting for ages to get their cigars actually recived ANY yet?

I do feel for the guy if he's having issues as I considered him a friend, and still do..but again I'm not down $600+ so it's easier for me to say that.

Don Fernando · 07-30-2009, 02:58 PM

I just heard from another inmate that Logan aka SixPackSunday stiffed a few guys on the board too

Bruzee · 07-30-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

I just heard from another inmate that Logan aka SixPackSunday stiffed a few guys on the board too

Where do these people come from, and why are they here?!?!?!?!?!?!

07-30-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

I just heard from another inmate that Logan aka SixPackSunday stiffed a few guys on the board too

No offense, but if somebody has a problem with another member they should take it up with that member or the mods. I don't think throwing unsubstantiated rumors out there is the way the board wants to operate. I wouldn't like it I'd it were done to me and I was innocent and I'm sure you wouldn't either

Don Fernando · 07-30-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

No offense, but if somebody has a problem with another member they should take it up with that member or the mods. I don't think throwing unsubstantiated rumors out there is the way the board wants to operate. I wouldn't like it I'd it were done to me and I was innocent and I'm sure you wouldn't either

just check SPS's profile (trader feedback & visitor messages), like I did before I posted.

markem · 07-30-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

just check SPS's profile (trader feedback & visitor messages), like I did before I posted.

Wow. And because it was already in public on the trader feedback you felt that you just had to drag it into here? This thread has a nasty gang mentality that isn't reflecting well on this board.

Scottw · 07-30-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by markem

Wow. And because it was already in public on the trader feedback you felt that you just had to drag it into here? This thread has a nasty gang mentality that isn't reflecting well on this board.

Maybe that mentality will help prevent this **** from happening again.

Don Fernando · 07-30-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem

Wow. And because it was already in public on the trader feedback you felt that you just had to drag it into here? This thread has a nasty gang mentality that isn't reflecting well on this board.

Mark, I like to warm my fellow botl's for scammers, that's all.

poker · 07-30-2009, 03:29 PM

What goes around, comes around. Karma can be a bad MF when its their turn in the barrel.

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:21 PM

This is where the thread derails. I think everyone can agree on the following:

1) Buyer Beware.
2) Contact mods immediately at first signs of problems.
3) If needed, leave negative feedback (just like ebay, negative feedback is so rare here that even one raises my alert level to maximum).
4) Stay classy (no need to lynch anyone in public.. while not likely in these cases, there have been cases were a BOTL disappears with money due to emergency hospitalization/etc).
5) If/when mods have banned the person, feel free to post your feelings like Silverfox did here. Dan was found to be "guilty" and Silverfox made is public, letting the rest of us know, I have no problem with this.

I kind of agree a little with everyone. These acts do need to be brought to the attention of the board but this needs to be done civilly and with some diligence.

DavenportESQ · 07-30-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloo

This is where the thread derails. I think everyone can agree on the following:

1) Buyer Beware.
2) Contact mods immediately at first signs of problems.
3) If needed, leave negative feedback (just like ebay, negative feedback is so rare here that even one raises my alert level to maximum).
4) Stay classy (no need to lynch anyone in public.. while not likely in these cases, there have been cases were a BOTL disappears with money due to emergency hospitalization/etc).
5) If/when mods have banned the person, feel free to post your feelings like Silverfox did here. Dan was found to be "guilty" and Silverfox made is public, letting the rest of us know, I have no problem with this.

I kind of agree a little with everyone. These acts do need to be brought to the attention of the board but this needs to be done civilly and with some diligence.

So can we all move on?

Martin · 07-30-2009, 04:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

07-30-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

Classic, and so apropos. Lololl

Buena Fortuna · 07-30-2009, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

Dan turned me into a newt

Posted via Mobile Device

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:25 PM

I will actually extend what I said above. When last did you leave truly honest feedback? I did a trade back on CS with a BOTL with like 40 possitive feedback who totally screwed me over. What did I do? I left him a glowing feedback... I personally believe people like this start slipping way before they do their final dissapearing acts but we dont leave truly honest feedback... my 2c.

markem · 07-30-2009, 04:28 PM

We are starting to not only drag in other names, but having meta discussions about the meta discussion. Perhaps it is time for this thread to die or close.

hotreds · 07-30-2009, 04:32 PM

Can't we all just get along?

Starscream · 07-30-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem

We are starting to not only drag in other names, but having meta discussions about the meta discussion. Perhaps it is time for this thread to die or close.

07-29-2009, 04:35 PM	#2
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Paying my bills and especially my taxes depresses the sh!t out of me... I still do it. That is a very sad excuse. Icehog, restraint is what lands people in the comfy chair, let it out tough guy!

07-30-2009, 03:41 AM	#3
dentonparrots Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade I've also not recieved stogies I''ve paid for from Dan that frankly I could have used to buy from elsewhere. I've had PM's from him saying "they are on their way" etc then others saying they're not which has been confusing and I've guessed that he was copy and pasting messages to multiple people as they all seemed kinda impersonal for him. I suppose if he'd said "Sorry, I can't get them to you at all and your money's gone too" I'd have at least known where I stood. I've not really commented to others about this at all as I didn't want to come across as an arse but that said I didn't know others had been ripped off too, certainly not to the degree that some have. In Dans defence I should say that whenever he's messaged me I've stressed to him that there was no hurry as I got the impression he was under the weather and having a tough time. I've done trades with Dan in the past and can honestly say I've always trusted him, and received what he said he would send, and I still hope he'll make good at some point in the future...whenever that may be. Lots of folks have made fair comments regarding being ripped off and his lame excuses, and although it's easy for me to say "no hurries" to him I've only spent $60, not $600+ and if I had spent that much and not recieved what I'd paid for I would no doubt have got the police involved to some degree and certainly wouldn't have been as patient as what I have been. One thing that did nark me was that I mentioned in chat about buying from a vendor on here (I won't name, what's the point!) and he slated the guy instantly saying about previous purchases that had gone bad, been delayed etc and even went as far as to send me links to threads slagging the vendor off...kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black! As it happened I bought them from the same vendor anyway and was amazed at how fast they got here to the UK from the states. I just get the gut feeling things have gotten on top of him and he's struggled to deal with things and not put his hands up to the problems as quickly as he could have done. I wish him well and a speedy recovery and if he can he should make good on the deals when he can regardless of being banned, even if it is just to make himself feel a bit better about the whole thing. Can I ask if anyone has heard from him recently and has anyone who's been waiting for ages to get their cigars actually recived ANY yet? I do feel for the guy if he's having issues as I considered him a friend, and still do..but again I'm not down $600+ so it's easier for me to say that. Last edited by dentonparrots; 07-30-2009 at 03:50 AM.

07-30-2009, 02:58 PM	#4
Don Fernando Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ferdinand Location: Singapore Posts: 10,070 Trading: (29)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade I just heard from another inmate that Logan aka SixPackSunday stiffed a few guys on the board too __________________ check out my reviews on my blog.

07-30-2009, 03:29 PM	#11
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade What goes around, comes around. Karma can be a bad MF when its their turn in the barrel. __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching

07-30-2009, 04:21 PM	#12
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade This is where the thread derails. I think everyone can agree on the following: 1) Buyer Beware. 2) Contact mods immediately at first signs of problems. 3) If needed, leave negative feedback (just like ebay, negative feedback is so rare here that even one raises my alert level to maximum). 4) Stay classy (no need to lynch anyone in public.. while not likely in these cases, there have been cases were a BOTL disappears with money due to emergency hospitalization/etc). 5) If/when mods have banned the person, feel free to post your feelings like Silverfox did here. Dan was found to be "guilty" and Silverfox made is public, letting the rest of us know, I have no problem with this. I kind of agree a little with everyone. These acts do need to be brought to the attention of the board but this needs to be done civilly and with some diligence.

07-30-2009, 04:32 PM	#14
Martin Sweetness Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 150 Trading: (2)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU __________________ We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that shares his smoke with me shall be my brother

07-30-2009, 04:25 PM	#17
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade I will actually extend what I said above. When last did you leave truly honest feedback? I did a trade back on CS with a BOTL with like 40 possitive feedback who totally screwed me over. What did I do? I left him a glowing feedback... I personally believe people like this start slipping way before they do their final dissapearing acts but we dont leave truly honest feedback... my 2c.

07-30-2009, 04:28 PM	#18
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,658 Trading: (47)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade We are starting to not only drag in other names, but having meta discussions about the meta discussion. Perhaps it is time for this thread to die or close. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

07-30-2009, 04:32 PM	#19
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,674 Trading: (63)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Can't we all just get along? __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.