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[goalie204]

ufc tonight

[Ken]

Originally Posted by Steelergar

Brock's major problem is his stand up defense. He goes into panick mode when he gets hit. And I don't think his cardio is one his strengths.

That guy has a lot to offer and potential coming out his ears, but if noone in his gym can step up and punch him like he needs it he'll never get back on top.

Now who's ready to see GSP pound the dogshit out of Koscheck?

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by Ken

Now who's ready to see GSP pound the dogshit out of Koscheck?

i am very ready - and very looking forward to this

[LasciviousXXX]

Man this thread is always dead. Entertaining fights last weekend on the TUF finale and Strikeforce's offering.

GSP vs Koscheck this weekend. Should be fun to watch. Other fights include:
Sean McCorkle vs Stefan Struve
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Mac Danzig vs Joe Stevenson
Thiago Alves vs John Howard
Dustin Hazlett vs Mark Bocek

I don't know the rest of the fighters enough to weigh in but those above are my picks for the night.

[J0eybb]

Just watched Lawler Linland fight..... What a KNOCKOUT!

[J0eybb]

I spoke too soon. Daly/SMith Knockout was AWESOME.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Originally Posted by LasciviousXXX

Man this thread is always dead. Entertaining fights last weekend on the TUF finale and Strikeforce's offering.

GSP vs Koscheck this weekend. Should be fun to watch. Other fights include:
Sean McCorkle vs Stefan Struve
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Mac Danzig vs Joe Stevenson
Thiago Alves vs John Howard
Dustin Hazlett vs Mark Bocek

I don't know the rest of the fighters enough to weigh in but those above are my picks for the night.

The card for saturdays UFC fight looks like it might be a boring night, but I have been wrong with past events.

I don't think Hazlett has done well his last two fights hopefully he can get the W.

Whats your take on the GSP/Koscheck fight? I'm thinking GSP with a submission by the third round.

[goalie204]

great event imo, and great main event. DOMINATION.

[Don Fernando]

no love for K1? The Dutch are doing good!

[Bill86]

This is why I quit watching MMA.

http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-12...scheck-2-14504

6 decisions and a draw . I cannot believe they give koscheck a title shot. He's a horrible fighter. Too many decisions in the UFC. I liked pride much better, there wasn't that unnecessary 3 minutes of sitting on someone before they stood them up. I really think this is why Cro Cop didn't do well. UFC is geared much more towards the wrestler and getting boring decisions.

/rant

[goalie204]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

no love for K1? The Dutch are doing good!

K1 rules

Originally Posted by Bill86

This is why I quit watching MMA.

6 decisions and a draw . I cannot believe they give koscheck a title shot. He's a horrible fighter. Too many decisions in the UFC. I liked pride much better, there wasn't that unnecessary 3 minutes of sitting on someone before they stood them up. I really think this is why Cro Cop didn't do well. UFC is geared much more towards the wrestler and getting boring decisions.

/rant

If you quit watching MMA because you want only knockouts and subs, i guess it's good that you quit. I also can't believe you're saying Koscheck is horrible, that's just funny, the guy is a fantastic fighter, he got outclassed in a major way by a superior fighter. It's a pretty narrow minded perspective to only enjoy a fight if it ends in a sub or tko. There were some FANTASTIC fights last night from those decisions. I agree that a sub or a tko are exciting, but that doesn't mean a decision is boring, it's not like it was a frankie edgar fight lol. Many of those decisions were great fights! Expand your horizons.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Ya I'm not into seeing so many decision fights in a night, but we know GSP can finish fights. I think he just wanted to beat up Josh.

I was very surprised to see Dustin Hazlett get submitted!

[jonumberone]

I agree with Bill in that UFC Fighters are fighting like they have alot more money in the bank.
That Doesn't mean that decisions are boring.
The biggest problem facing UFC in regards to decisions has been the judges scoring of recent bouts.
The leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight from the Ultimate fighter finale and the Riddle vs Peirson fight this past weekend reminded me of why I stopped watching boxing.
I agree Riddle lost his fight, but not by a 30-27 unanimous decision.
I think bias is being shown to the fighters UFC wants to showcase.
Take the Jake shields vs Martin Kampman fight.
Sheilds takes down Kampman, inflicts zero damage, Kampman gets right up, punches Shields in the face, Decision Shields?

After the leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight Dana White said that the judges are in no way affiliated with the UFC. Supposedly they are appointed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I was starting to think that the UFC was biased when Bisping was given an easy path to a title fight. In my opinion he did not earn the fight and was given a few decisions that he did not earn.

If the judges are really appointed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission then I guess I was wrong.

[jonumberone]

Boxing Judges are also appointed by their respective athletic commissions.
That never stopped them from issuing biased decisions.
One fight I was at immediately comes to mind.
Lennox lewis Holyfield 1
Lewis destroyed Evander and the fight was declared a draw.

Athletic commissions have a stake in the fighting company's success.
when organizations like the UFC bring fights to their towns it usually is a big boost to the economy.
It's the old you scratch my back I scratch yours routine.

[goalie204]

I couldn't agree more that the judging is b.s. That said, if you don't want to go to the judges, either finish the fight, or win decisively like GSP

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE

Ya I'm not into seeing so many decision fights in a night, but we know GSP can finish fights. I think he just wanted to beat up Josh.

I was very surprised to see Dustin Hazlett get submitted!

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

[Bill86]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

I agree with Bill in that UFC Fighters are fighting like they have alot more money in the bank.
That Doesn't mean that decisions are boring.
The biggest problem facing UFC in regards to decisions has been the judges scoring of recent bouts.
The leonard Garcia vs Nam Phan fight from the Ultimate fighter finale and the Riddle vs Peirson fight this past weekend reminded me of why I stopped watching boxing.
I agree Riddle lost his fight, but not by a 30-27 unanimous decision.
I think bias is being shown to the fighters UFC wants to showcase.
Take the Jake shields vs Martin Kampman fight.
Sheilds takes down Kampman, inflicts zero damage, Kampman gets right up, punches Shields in the face, Decision Shields?

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

[J0eybb]

Originally Posted by Bill86

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

We are here to argue... and I wanted to highlight that part.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Originally Posted by yachties23

GSP doesn't finish fights. He takes zero risks, and I'm tired of hearing at the end of every PPV he headlines "MY goal was to finish him and I fell short" He is as boring a fighter to watch as there is in the UFC. Saturday's jab fest was slightly better than his normal lay and pray tactics. I'm hopeful that he tries that ground and pound crap with shields. Cause over the course of a 5 rounder, he will get caught and subbed.

So when GSP was fighting Hardy and had him in that arm bar he let it go because he wanted a 5 round fight?
I'm not defending GSP, but I do remember that fight.

Looking at his record the last couple of years he has no submissions, but I highly doubt he wants decision wins. Last submission was in 2007.

Originally Posted by Bill86

I really don't want to argue with anyone here, so please don't think I am trying to.

This is pretty much what I was saying...the decline of the UFC. Judges have made some REALLY bad decisions lately (shogun vs machida 1) and all they are doing is hyping up some newer fighters just for $$$$. Cain velasquez or whatever his name is....he might be a great fighter but he's very new, same with Brock. I hate whenever people mention Brock Vs Fedor. Come on now Fedors like 31-1-1, and Brock lost his 2nd fight and a couple more. Fedor would eat Brock for a mid-morning snack.

That said, it is a shame. I really enjoyed watching the UFC for a good 3-4 years. It's hard to watch now.

Another side note....

Brock did not EVER pay his dues! He was instantly given TOP fighters when he didn't deserve them. Cro Cop got tossed a tin can Eddie Sanchez, WHO RAN AWAY THE WHOLE FIGHT! My point of course is $$$$$$$$, Brock was more marketable so they give him serious fights. No one knew Cro Cop so they give him all mid level fighters IF THAT, of course he doesn't take it seriously. If I were him I would do the same, they don't take him seriously why not take the free paychecks.

Not to mention the UFC has lost some top notch fighters, Tim Sylvia (hes so boring , but he does win), Snowman Monson, Dan henderson and Arlovski to name a few.

I couldn't agree more.