2014 MLB Thread - Page 7

shilala · 01-25-2014, 07:35 AM

I heard yesterday that Greg Maddux is going into the HOF as a no-logo. He can't decide whether to go in as a Brave or Cubbie. I started thinking about it on the way home yesterday, and I remember him playing, and marveling at his control, as a Brave. But when I see him in my head, he's wearing a Cubs hat.
Randy Johnson is up next year. I wonder what he'll do? He's as much a Diamondback as he is a Mariner, time split pretty much evenly, and his best stats as a Diamondback.
I don't see him as anything but a Mariner. Kinda the same as Maddux, but I'd understand if Maddux went in under the Braves logo. It wouldn't feel right if Johnson went in as a Diamondback.

Which begs the question, why can't guys go in under two logos? What the heck is the difference? Most guys finish their careers heavily weighted to one team, or they used to. Now it's not odd for a pitcher to see 10 teams in a career.
I just wondered what you guys thought?

icehog3 · 01-25-2014, 09:33 AM

Good points, Scott, I wouldn't have an issue with "dual citizenship" either.

I am most concerned with it wil be as a Cub, Yankee, Tiger, Brave, Royal, Ray, Blue Jay or Pirate when Kyle Farnsworth is inducted.

AdamJoshua · 01-25-2014, 10:44 AM

Yah Kyle is a lock, he better start trying to decide now just so when the time comes he's ready and committed, well one of you should be committed.

Here is an interview that talks about about the process, too much to put here, no hijacking, but it's a combination of the HOF staff and researchers and then they have conversations with the player to make sure the player is ok with the choice. They talk about about Gary Carter not being happy with the HOF deciding he should go in representing the Expos.

Edit: forgot to link the interview, there goes my shot at the Hall.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...terview/090723

shilala · 01-25-2014, 11:08 AM

I see why they can't do the dual citizenship thing, being there's a cast of them with the logo on their cap. It makes me wonder if anyone has entered with a no-logo?
Adam, go look that up. You're not doin anything.

01-25-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I heard yesterday that Greg Maddux is going into the HOF as a no-logo. He can't decide whether to go in as a Brave or Cubbie. I started thinking about it on the way home yesterday, and I remember him playing, and marveling at his control, as a Brave. But when I see him in my head, he's wearing a Cubs hat.
Randy Johnson is up next year. I wonder what he'll do? He's as much a Diamondback as he is a Mariner, time split pretty much evenly, and his best stats as a Diamondback.
I don't see him as anything but a Mariner. Kinda the same as Maddux, but I'd understand if Maddux went in under the Braves logo. It wouldn't feel right if Johnson went in as a Diamondback.

Which begs the question, why can't guys go in under two logos? What the heck is the difference? Most guys finish their careers heavily weighted to one team, or they used to. Now it's not odd for a pitcher to see 10 teams in a career.
I just wondered what you guys thought?

I agree, two logos is better than not going in with any at all. Maddux needs to be a Cub and Brave

The Poet · 01-25-2014, 11:21 AM

Scott, I read yesterday as part of that Maddux story that some players, faced with the same dilemma, have entered the HOF with no logo, but I don't remember which. I'll look and see if I can find it again.

The Poet · 01-25-2014, 11:32 AM

According to the article on mlb.com, nine players are now in the HOF without logos: Yogi Berra, Catfish Hunter, Andy Cooper, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Biz Mackey, Luis Santop, Ben Tayor, and Cristobal Torriente. New inductee Tony La Russa has also chosen to have no logo.

AdamJoshua · 01-26-2014, 07:46 PM

Breaking down the Top 100 prospects, the Red Sox have more than any other team with 9, while the Yankees continue to try to buy players instead of have a good farm system have only 1 in the top 100.

Chad Finn has this to say: "Mookie Betts had an electrifying breakthrough to the point he might be the best second base prospect in the minors right now." Catcher prospect Blake Swihart is being favorably compared to Buster Posey, and third baseman prospect Garin Cecchini has been called a "future AL batting champion" by at least two farm system directors. Finally, the Red Sox have, according to Baseball America, "the deepest haul of pitching prospects in any team in the majors."

Life is good.

The Poet · 01-26-2014, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Breaking down the Top 100 prospects, the Red Sox have more than any other team with 9, while the Yankees continue to try to buy players instead of have a good farm system have only 1 in the top 100.

One of these days somebody will be able to say something positive about their team without simultaneously feeling the necessity to try to insult another team in the process. But evolution is slow, and mankind has a long way to go to reach enlightenment.

icehog3 · 01-26-2014, 09:30 PM

Buster Who?

AdamJoshua · 01-27-2014, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Buster Who?

Catcher / 1st Baseman for the SF Giants, from what I can see he's a .300 hitter, guess he has other tools though. (I didn't really get the comparison either but I suppose it's a compliment to him).

icehog3 · 01-27-2014, 08:37 AM

When they say he's the next Kyle Farnsworth, then I will be impressed. Kyle could catch almost as amazingly as he could pitch.

AdamJoshua · 01-27-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

When they say he's the next Kyle Farnsworth, then I will be impressed. Kyle could catch almost as amazingly as he could pitch.

Totally agree, Tom, I hear he has amazing range at short when he played for the Yankees, ok not amazing but better than Jeter.

Oh and TP it's called a rivalry.

Dave128 · 01-27-2014, 01:18 PM

Let's Go Mets!!

The Poet · 01-27-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Totally agree, Tom, I hear he has amazing range at short when he played for the Yankees, ok not amazing but better than Jeter.

Oh and TP it's called a rivalry.

No, it's called a lack of class, which is what passes for sportsmanship in Boston.

AdamJoshua · 01-27-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

No, it's called a lack of class, which is what passes for sportsmanship in Boston.

Interesting comment.

pnoon · 01-27-2014, 01:43 PM

Last warning, fellas. Keep it civil.

The Poet · 01-27-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Last warning, fellas. Keep it civil.

I'd love to, Peter, if others would refrain from poking bears for no reason other than to poke bears.

pnoon · 01-27-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

I'd love to, Peter, if others would refrain from poking bears for no reason other than to poke bears.

Since you feel compelled to hash this out publicly, I will let you know that you are part of the problem. I can't be any more clear.

AdamJoshua · 01-28-2014, 08:58 AM

Ortiz looking for a multi-year deal at 39, I can see one year + one or two(max) that are incentive heavy. Lester says he wants to come back and is willing to give a big hometown discount to stay in Boston like Dustin P. did, how can you not love guys like that?

With Grady Sizemore signed the Red Sox have assured themselves of selling many many more pink hats this season, there was some concern with Dreamboat (Ellsbury) leaving town to cash in that the pink hats would leave the team in droves without someone to replace him.

01-25-2014, 07:35 AM	#121
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread I heard yesterday that Greg Maddux is going into the HOF as a no-logo. He can't decide whether to go in as a Brave or Cubbie. I started thinking about it on the way home yesterday, and I remember him playing, and marveling at his control, as a Brave. But when I see him in my head, he's wearing a Cubs hat. Randy Johnson is up next year. I wonder what he'll do? He's as much a Diamondback as he is a Mariner, time split pretty much evenly, and his best stats as a Diamondback. I don't see him as anything but a Mariner. Kinda the same as Maddux, but I'd understand if Maddux went in under the Braves logo. It wouldn't feel right if Johnson went in as a Diamondback. Which begs the question, why can't guys go in under two logos? What the heck is the difference? Most guys finish their careers heavily weighted to one team, or they used to. Now it's not odd for a pitcher to see 10 teams in a career. I just wondered what you guys thought? __________________

01-25-2014, 09:33 AM	#122
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,261 Trading: (60)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Good points, Scott, I wouldn't have an issue with "dual citizenship" either. I am most concerned with it wil be as a Cub, Yankee, Tiger, Brave, Royal, Ray, Blue Jay or Pirate when Kyle Farnsworth is inducted. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

01-25-2014, 10:44 AM	#123
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Yah Kyle is a lock, he better start trying to decide now just so when the time comes he's ready and committed, well one of you should be committed. Here is an interview that talks about about the process, too much to put here, no hijacking, but it's a combination of the HOF staff and researchers and then they have conversations with the player to make sure the player is ok with the choice. They talk about about Gary Carter not being happy with the HOF deciding he should go in representing the Expos. Edit: forgot to link the interview, there goes my shot at the Hall. : http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...terview/090723

01-25-2014, 11:08 AM	#124
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread I see why they can't do the dual citizenship thing, being there's a cast of them with the logo on their cap. It makes me wonder if anyone has entered with a no-logo? Adam, go look that up. You're not doin anything. __________________

01-25-2014, 11:21 AM	#126
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Scott, I read yesterday as part of that Maddux story that some players, faced with the same dilemma, have entered the HOF with no logo, but I don't remember which. I'll look and see if I can find it again. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

01-25-2014, 11:32 AM	#127
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread According to the article on mlb.com, nine players are now in the HOF without logos: Yogi Berra, Catfish Hunter, Andy Cooper, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Biz Mackey, Luis Santop, Ben Tayor, and Cristobal Torriente. New inductee Tony La Russa has also chosen to have no logo. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

01-26-2014, 07:46 PM	#128
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Breaking down the Top 100 prospects, the Red Sox have more than any other team with 9, while the Yankees continue to try to buy players instead of have a good farm system have only 1 in the top 100. Chad Finn has this to say: "Mookie Betts had an electrifying breakthrough to the point he might be the best second base prospect in the minors right now." Catcher prospect Blake Swihart is being favorably compared to Buster Posey, and third baseman prospect Garin Cecchini has been called a "future AL batting champion" by at least two farm system directors. Finally, the Red Sox have, according to Baseball America, "the deepest haul of pitching prospects in any team in the majors." Life is good.

01-26-2014, 09:30 PM	#130
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,261 Trading: (60)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Buster Who? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

01-27-2014, 08:37 AM	#132
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,261 Trading: (60)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread When they say he's the next Kyle Farnsworth, then I will be impressed. Kyle could catch almost as amazingly as he could pitch. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

01-27-2014, 01:18 PM	#134
Dave128 Sexy Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 3,922 Trading: (4)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Let's Go Mets!! __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin I "heart" Boobies and Beer!

01-27-2014, 01:43 PM	#137
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Last warning, fellas. Keep it civil. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

01-28-2014, 08:58 AM	#140
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: 2014 MLB Thread Ortiz looking for a multi-year deal at 39, I can see one year + one or two(max) that are incentive heavy. Lester says he wants to come back and is willing to give a big hometown discount to stay in Boston like Dustin P. did, how can you not love guys like that? With Grady Sizemore signed the Red Sox have assured themselves of selling many many more pink hats this season, there was some concern with Dreamboat (Ellsbury) leaving town to cash in that the pink hats would leave the team in droves without someone to replace him.