Pete Johnson goes Vampire! - Page 7

duckmanco · 10-19-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by newlifetaxidermy

Never paid $13 for a CC, but my gripe is not with the price of the cigar. My gripe is that Pete plays on cigar smokers emotions to cause a frenzy about a product that is only limited because he says it is limited. When that causes hard feelings between B&M owners and their customers or between BOTLs, then we should ALL be angry at his marketing ploy. We have enough to deal with fighting the government (taxes & legislation) and the anti-smoking crowd. We don't need internal conflict....PERIOD.

Yup, its manufactured controlled rarity, I don't care what anyone says.... its marketing hype to stoke the fires found deep within fanboys hearts... and from the looks of the boards, its working. Don't get me wrong, I love the taste of the Noellas, but clamoring for a $13.00 cigar just seems odd.

Col. Kurtz · 10-19-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsFanLarry

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You could compare this to the guys out there that think CC's are the next best thing since sliced bread....and you know darn good and well they are paying more than that per stick for those CC's and are lucky if 25% of what they buy is legit!

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Hey Larry,

I rather enjoy cc's, as you know. I rarely pay more than $8-10 per stick, and it has to have a darned good rep. for that price.

Could you elaborate on the 75% fake figure?

I also enjoy DPG smokes and Padron. Just have had nothing but bad luck from PJ's products (yes I know Pepin makes them). My aversion to his products is my personal experience with bad quality, unfavorable taste (for me) and relatively high price. Thelatest Vamp hype was just "another nail in the coffin" if you will...

shilala · 10-19-2009, 02:51 PM

I, personally, am not a fan of Pete's cigars. He and I just share a different taste. I've tried pretty much everything and haven't found a keeper yet.
So far as the hype goes, I think it's fun.
It brings a special excitement to the hobby and the industry that's much lacking. The kidsy, "Furbee" atmosphere surrounding the Dracs is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to trying the cigar just to see if they suck.

Then I can say they suck, and that'll be fun, too.
Plus if I can get a few boxes, it'll be fun sharing them here.
I suppose it's easier to be objective whenit really doesn't matter to me whether I get them or not.

I do think that despite the fact that the "manufactured scarcity" is real, it's intent is to make fun, not to make guys angry. If you'll take time to watch some of Pete's interviews and get a feel for the kind of guy he is, I'm sure anyone would come away with the same impression.

pfm721 · 10-19-2009, 03:52 PM

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

10-19-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I, personally, am not a fan of Pete's cigars. He and I just share a different taste. I've tried pretty much everything and haven't found a keeper yet.
So far as the hype goes, I think it's fun.
It brings a special excitement to the hobby and the industry that's much lacking. The kidsy, "Furbee" atmosphere surrounding the Dracs is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to trying the cigar just to see if they suck.

Then I can say they suck, and that'll be fun, too.
Plus if I can get a few boxes, it'll be fun sharing them here.
I suppose it's easier to be objective whenit really doesn't matter to me whether I get them or not.

I do think that despite the fact that the "manufactured scarcity" is real, it's intent is to make fun, not to make guys angry. If you'll take time to watch some of Pete's interviews and get a feel for the kind of guy he is, I'm sure anyone would come away with the same impression.

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Originally Posted by pfm721

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I have to agree with these two posts...

How come no one *****es about the Liberty series, or the Master Blends? With every hobby you have a group of people that not only enjoy the activity but also enjoy collecting things that few others have.

Not to mention it's not really that hard to score a box. Come on if a newb like me can score a box it can't be that hard.

Brooks W · 10-19-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pfm721

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

Yep.

~brooks

lakeside toker · 10-19-2009, 06:21 PM

I saw grown men on another site act like the world was coming to an end because they could not get a box of "Dracs". Most probably never smoked one and were willings to buy them site or scent unseen. To me that is a hype that was genius on the part of Pete. I myself think that his products are over priced for the hit or miss quality.

doctorcue · 10-19-2009, 06:34 PM

Used to be the same way with Opus, Anejo's, etc. Amazes me how people go crazy for these cigars. Go outside, light up a stick, and relax.

duckmanco · 10-19-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pfm721

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I don't know, I don't think its animosity at all, just a civil disagreement with how "limited" these are marketed. I share the same feeling toward most anything "limited" in the cigar world, especially Opus X. More for you guys for sure, and as always smoke what you like and like what you smoke.

10-20-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pfm721

I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

I'm with you 100% Patrick!

Good post my brother!

Dukeuni · 10-20-2009, 12:21 PM

Just a note: Call around to many o the "other listed" retailers. I think most know what they will be getting now, and some of these places are really small, mall stop type of places, and have not been bombarded by phone calls yet. I called a smaller mall store tobacco shop that was listed, they said they are getting two boxes, and put one box aside for me. They actually called me back and were excited that I wanted to purchase a full box.

stearns · 10-20-2009, 12:56 PM

they trying to sell the other box and ship?

stearns

LockOut · 10-21-2009, 01:44 PM

just got naother call, "we arent getting enough dracs to sel lboxes so we are doing smaplers no sellnig individuals, to get dracs you have to buy 150 dollars worth of other tat sticks in a smapler". ****ing bull****. just one more list i was on trying to bend me over a barrel to make money.

Ahbroody · 10-21-2009, 01:52 PM

Lockout I may be able to get some. If I do they will run about 20 ish due to california 40% tobacco tax and 9% sales tax. taxes!!!!!!!! I will see if I can get some then hit you up. No guarentees because at this point I am officially over this stick and am not waiting in line to get any.

Col. Kurtz · 10-21-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Kurtz

Hey Larry,

I rather enjoy cc's, as you know. I rarely pay more than $8-10 per stick, and it has to have a darned good rep. for that price.

Could you elaborate on the 75% fake figure?

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Originally Posted by SkinsFanLarry

....
You could compare this to the guys out there that think CC's are the next best thing since sliced bread....and you know darn good and well they are paying more than that per stick for those CC's and are lucky if 25% of what they buy is legit!
.....

Bump for the question.

Anyone?

I just smoked a really good fake RyJ corona and would like to know how to get more.

Ahbroody · 10-21-2009, 11:02 PM

Yeah I like Larry, but I cant follow that logic.
I know most Botls here know who is an authorized HSA distributor and they use them. These same vendors are used by botls in europe that I know. Now maybe if they are buying them from a local guy then they are geting hosed, but thats not who were are talking about I dont think.

A 13 CC is a rare stick. Most are less then that, many good standards are half that price and you are not paying taxes on them. For me these are 20.00 sticks and at that price we are talking RA Estupendos and other rare items.

Dont know I cant give much help here

Hudaddy · 10-21-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Yeah I like Larry, but I cant follow that logic.
I know most Botls here know who is an authorized HSA distributor and they use them. These same vendors are used by botls in europe that I know. Now maybe if they are buying them from a local guy then they are geting hosed, but thats not who were are talking about I dont think.

A 13 CC is a rare stick. Most are less then that, many good standards are half that price and you are not paying taxes on them. For me these are 20.00 sticks and at that price we are talking RA Estupendos and other rare items.

Dont know I cant give much help here

Tats are my favorites, but these days, I smoke CCs more often. Tat browns are like higher end CCs, expensive and a treat.

Beagleone · 10-22-2009, 12:40 PM

I got my box today! Pictures coming after lunch.

replicant_argent · 10-22-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LockOut

just got naother call, "we arent getting enough dracs to sel lboxes so we are doing smaplers no sellnig individuals, to get dracs you have to buy 150 dollars worth of other tat sticks in a smapler". ****ing bull****. just one more list i was on trying to bend me over a barrel to make money.

That also means "We are opening all of our boxes to check for the golden ticket, because the boss would love a new Ducati, and we can then bend you fanboys over for an even higher margin. Have a nice day."

chenvt · 10-22-2009, 01:04 PM

Good stick + excellent marketing and working on supply vs. demand.. That bout sums it up.. I've had the blacks and the franks, and given the amount of effort required to get dracs, it's a stick I'd like to try, but I basically called half the 13 retailers and either got:

-gotta buy X amount to buy dracs
-lottery
-scavenger hunt (my second favorite)
-personal fav: "Become a fan" on facebook and there will be a lottery after our top customers get first dibs.. SWEET!

So yeah, after that I went and bought something else

10-19-2009, 02:51 PM	#123
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! I, personally, am not a fan of Pete's cigars. He and I just share a different taste. I've tried pretty much everything and haven't found a keeper yet. So far as the hype goes, I think it's fun. It brings a special excitement to the hobby and the industry that's much lacking. The kidsy, "Furbee" atmosphere surrounding the Dracs is supposed to be fun. I'm looking forward to trying the cigar just to see if they suck. Then I can say they suck, and that'll be fun, too. Plus if I can get a few boxes, it'll be fun sharing them here. I suppose it's easier to be objective whenit really doesn't matter to me whether I get them or not. I do think that despite the fact that the "manufactured scarcity" is real, it's intent is to make fun, not to make guys angry. If you'll take time to watch some of Pete's interviews and get a feel for the kind of guy he is, I'm sure anyone would come away with the same impression. __________________

10-19-2009, 03:52 PM	#124
pfm721 I bleed Orange and Blue Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Patrick Location: Naples, FL Posts: 101 Trading: (7)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! I don't get all the animosity over the limited nature of this product. It's not a regular line and to lump all his lines together as being subject to manufactured scarcity is unfair. I find that his regular lines are readily accessible. Ultimately I think it falls on the consumer when this much hype is generated, Pete can't generate this hype all on his own. Plenty of other manufacturers release seasonal, limited edition, etc. smokes and rarely do you see this sort of reaction. I think its unfair to lay all the blame on a manufacturer who chooses to release a limited production smoke.

10-19-2009, 06:21 PM	#127
lakeside toker Just in from the Storm Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marblehead,Ohio Posts: 46 Trading: (4)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! I saw grown men on another site act like the world was coming to an end because they could not get a box of "Dracs". Most probably never smoked one and were willings to buy them site or scent unseen. To me that is a hype that was genius on the part of Pete. I myself think that his products are over priced for the hit or miss quality.

10-19-2009, 06:34 PM	#128
doctorcue BABOTL - VP of Drinking Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Danny Location: Rancho Cordova, CA Posts: 331 Trading: (2)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! Used to be the same way with Opus, Anejo's, etc. Amazes me how people go crazy for these cigars. Go outside, light up a stick, and relax. __________________ Raiders, A's, Warriors.

10-20-2009, 12:21 PM	#131
Dukeuni RIP CS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Fields of rolling wheat Posts: 509 Trading: (32)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! Just a note: Call around to many o the "other listed" retailers. I think most know what they will be getting now, and some of these places are really small, mall stop type of places, and have not been bombarded by phone calls yet. I called a smaller mall store tobacco shop that was listed, they said they are getting two boxes, and put one box aside for me. They actually called me back and were excited that I wanted to purchase a full box.

10-20-2009, 12:56 PM	#132
stearns Dogbert Consultant Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ben Location: Park Hill Posts: 5,386 Trading: (50)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! they trying to sell the other box and ship? stearns __________________ "Ignoring all the racket of conventional reality" - Keller Williams

10-21-2009, 01:44 PM	#133
LockOut Burn Baby Burn Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: I'm a traveling monkey Posts: 623 Trading: (12)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! just got naother call, "we arent getting enough dracs to sel lboxes so we are doing smaplers no sellnig individuals, to get dracs you have to buy 150 dollars worth of other tat sticks in a smapler". **ing bull**. just one more list i was on trying to bend me over a barrel to make money. __________________ Bráithreachas Thar Gach Ni IAFF Local #4907

10-21-2009, 01:52 PM	#134
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! Lockout I may be able to get some. If I do they will run about 20 ish due to california 40% tobacco tax and 9% sales tax. taxes!!!!!!!! I will see if I can get some then hit you up. No guarentees because at this point I am officially over this stick and am not waiting in line to get any.

10-21-2009, 11:02 PM	#136
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! Yeah I like Larry, but I cant follow that logic. I know most Botls here know who is an authorized HSA distributor and they use them. These same vendors are used by botls in europe that I know. Now maybe if they are buying them from a local guy then they are geting hosed, but thats not who were are talking about I dont think. A 13 CC is a rare stick. Most are less then that, many good standards are half that price and you are not paying taxes on them. For me these are 20.00 sticks and at that price we are talking RA Estupendos and other rare items. Dont know I cant give much help here

10-22-2009, 12:40 PM	#138
Beagleone Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Between here and there Posts: 830 Trading: (18)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! I got my box today! Pictures coming after lunch. __________________ Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" didn't have gonorrhea.

10-22-2009, 01:04 PM	#140
chenvt Duck the Futch!!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 497 Trading: (23)	Re: Pete Johnson goes Vampire! Good stick + excellent marketing and working on supply vs. demand.. That bout sums it up.. I've had the blacks and the franks, and given the amount of effort required to get dracs, it's a stick I'd like to try, but I basically called half the 13 retailers and either got: -gotta buy X amount to buy dracs -lottery -scavenger hunt (my second favorite) -personal fav: "Become a fan" on facebook and there will be a lottery after our top customers get first dibs.. SWEET! So yeah, after that I went and bought something else