Sometimes you call a spade a spade - Page 6

GreekGodX · 07-28-2009, 04:16 PM

I was involved in a group buy with Dan and while he took a while to get me my part he did deliver. I'm sorry for those that got taken by him. I absolutely hate when people take advantage of others. It only shows that those who prey on others are scum and do not deserve any happiness in life. It truely makes me sick to hear about this. Andrew (DPD) shared some information in this thread about Dan reselling sale cigars at a higher price. Had I known about that I would have never gotten in on the group buy.

The point has been made numerous times here that we may not know each other face to face, but I treat everyone here as family. Unfortunately 1 person decided they were going to take advantage of our family. While he was successful don't think that he won't get his in the end. I credit Dan with teaching me about cc's as I had limited knowledge when I met him. As of now I thank him for that but I will never be able to respect him or give him any of my time.

Being a good Christian I do believe he has the oppurtunity to right all the wrongs that he has done. I hope he does repay everyone. Only then would I be able to begin to forgive him for he harm be has done to many.

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea.

St. Lou Stu · 07-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea.

That's allright man..... I heard Nugent's Bodyguard will be there.

GreekGodX · 07-28-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea.

Well he has shown he doesn't make sound decisions...

Old Sailor · 07-28-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea.

He wouldn't have the b***s, but if he did

yourchoice · 07-28-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

Always been my understanding Joel that if it didn't happen here, don't leave feedback for it here.

Gotcha, thanks Vic. Good to see you around some.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Yep. That is the general practice.

Thanks Peter!

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Originally Posted by icehog3

To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

Clear as a bell! (why is it a bell anyway?)

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Originally Posted by poker

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.

edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said

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md4958 · 07-28-2009, 04:28 PM

I was just over at another board that Dan is a member of. Hes got some nasty messages on his profile page already, no trader feedback though.

I understand the MODs policy of no other board feedback and actually have examples to illustrate both sides.

A friend of mine on another board ran a GB for some very expensive, rare cigars that turned out to be fake, the vendor scammed them. Now, he got a bad rep on the other board even though it was not his fault, and that he is making everybody involved whole again. We are talking thousands of $$ here. I would hate for his rep to follow him to a board like CA because as I said, he is making good on the bad situation out of his own pocket. This would be a good argument for not allowing other board feedback.

On the other hand, I have another friend that was involved in a trade on our old home, and after months and months of not receiving his end, asked for his portion back (again THOUSANDS of $$ worth of cigars). The cigars ended up being lost in transit or destroyed or whatever, my friend never got his cigars back. This time however the offending individual didnt make good on the situation, saying that he was financially unable. He then proceeds to take an extravagant vacation and boasts about it. (He is still a member here, and probably reading this.) Now, even though this happened on another board, I would never get involved with a trade with this person, nor would I want another to get burned the way my friend got burned. I think this would be a perfect argument for allowing other board feedback.

My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line.

DPD6030 · 07-28-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to

Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

Old Sailor · 07-28-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DPD6030

Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to

Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

hummm, no sharks in Erie......tar & feather.....

Clampdown · 07-28-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Sailor

hummm, no sharks in Erie......tar & feather.....

Lots of snakes though

Thrak · 07-28-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS

This is where I will end up replying, although I wanted to reply to the person that stated that there was a real case, crossing state lines, etc. I laughed out loud, I am sorry to say. Not to deride the person who said this, but in a general way, I was thinking, 'yup, it's easy to give advice to the "other person" who then has to act on his ironclad case involving illegal goods'. Haha, priceless.

Like I have the time to read thru everything to determine that this was a deal involving "unspeakables" ...

I've been the moderator and owner of boards with over 20,000 people (not cigar related) and have had to deal with this crap before. More often than not the buyer gets some recourse, especially if its across state lines. Atty Generals of States dont look kindly on interstate fraud.

However, since this was across country lines, I dont have a clue how one would proceed with this as I have no experience with it.

I just hate hearing about that kind of money loss, that is, for me anyway, a significant amount of money and I would be steaming pissed.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

That's allright man..... I heard Nugent's Bodyguard will be there.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX

Well he has shown he doesn't make sound decisions...

Word.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line.

Nah, we love youse guys!

P.S.....sorry for the back to back to back posts...my multi-quote doesn't work on this work computer.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DPD6030

Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to

Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew.

07-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.

FTR Dan has been banned at ICC.

pnoon · 07-28-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew.

GreekGodX · 07-28-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DPD6030

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

I wish I would have known the stuff before I ordered as I wouldn't have supported the group buy. Your bro told me after the fact some of the stuff that happened. I didn't get harmed by any of this but I wouldn't have supported the group buy if I'd known.

icehog3 · 07-28-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by devilfish

Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.

Point taken.

DPD6030 · 07-28-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew.

Can't wait to hear the story Tom. I never have a gun on me while partaking in the adult beverages. I hope it's ok to bring it for the ride over and the ride back. Can I bring my water pistol?

07-28-2009, 04:16 PM	#101
GreekGodX Opa!! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Christos Location: 7 Line Posts: 4,894 Trading: (82)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade I was involved in a group buy with Dan and while he took a while to get me my part he did deliver. I'm sorry for those that got taken by him. I absolutely hate when people take advantage of others. It only shows that those who prey on others are scum and do not deserve any happiness in life. It truely makes me sick to hear about this. Andrew (DPD) shared some information in this thread about Dan reselling sale cigars at a higher price. Had I known about that I would have never gotten in on the group buy. The point has been made numerous times here that we may not know each other face to face, but I treat everyone here as family. Unfortunately 1 person decided they were going to take advantage of our family. While he was successful don't think that he won't get his in the end. I credit Dan with teaching me about cc's as I had limited knowledge when I met him. As of now I thank him for that but I will never be able to respect him or give him any of my time. Being a good Christian I do believe he has the oppurtunity to right all the wrongs that he has done. I hope he does repay everyone. Only then would I be able to begin to forgive him for he harm be has done to many. Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath? __________________ "If I give a businessman 10,000 francs, what is that to him, he is rich. But if I give him a Cohiba cigar, that is style."-Hotel Rwanda Last edited by GreekGodX; 07-28-2009 at 04:25 PM.

07-28-2009, 04:28 PM	#107
md4958 Captain Cannoli Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moe Location: Suffield, CT Posts: 5,712 Trading: (62)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade I was just over at another board that Dan is a member of. Hes got some nasty messages on his profile page already, no trader feedback though. I understand the MODs policy of no other board feedback and actually have examples to illustrate both sides. A friend of mine on another board ran a GB for some very expensive, rare cigars that turned out to be fake, the vendor scammed them. Now, he got a bad rep on the other board even though it was not his fault, and that he is making everybody involved whole again. We are talking thousands of $$ here. I would hate for his rep to follow him to a board like CA because as I said, he is making good on the bad situation out of his own pocket. This would be a good argument for not allowing other board feedback. On the other hand, I have another friend that was involved in a trade on our old home, and after months and months of not receiving his end, asked for his portion back (again THOUSANDS of $$ worth of cigars). The cigars ended up being lost in transit or destroyed or whatever, my friend never got his cigars back. This time however the offending individual didnt make good on the situation, saying that he was financially unable. He then proceeds to take an extravagant vacation and boasts about it. (He is still a member here, and probably reading this.) Now, even though this happened on another board, I would never get involved with a trade with this person, nor would I want another to get burned the way my friend got burned. I think this would be a perfect argument for allowing other board feedback. My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line. __________________ "One fart can foul the air for everyone" - Esteemed philosopher "If avoiding the nasty $hit is being a snob, them I am guilty as charged."- Same esteemed philosopher.

07-28-2009, 06:15 PM	#116
devilfish Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams. FTR Dan has been banned at ICC.