The Official 2012 NFL Draft Talk Thread

[shilala]

And that was you and me discussing what kind of bumwad I wipe my ass with.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

Right. If they put him on the PUP, they don't have to pay him the 8 million. That speaks volumes. It's why I don't really imagine any friction or hidden agenda between Irsay and Manning.
The only thing I can see between the two is Irsay saying "Peyton, you're done. For the love of all that is Holy, please stop before you have no body left to enjoy your millions."
And Peyton is saying "I gotta play. My kid brother has two rings, I have one. I need at least two to get to the HOF, etc..."
Isn't it nuts that Eli has two rings to Peyton's one? I mean, really? No one on earth even puts Eli close to Peyton so far as QB talent goes. I think it's because Eli is coachable while Peyton isn't, so much. Peyton puts the whole team on his shoulders and carries that weight around. Eli just plays ball. He's okay with sucking. Peyton is not.
They sure are two different players. That extra ring really puts Eli on an even keel with Peyton at the family dinner table, for sure.

Well that, and those Giants teams are light years more talented than anything Peyton's ever stepped onto a field with.

[JenksAnejo]

Well that, and those Giants teams are light years more talented than anything Peyton's ever stepped onto a field with.

This! The D-line from the Giants has been unbelievable during their last 2 super bowl runs.

[shilala]

Ward, Farrior and Cooke are gone now. I wouldn't be surprised if Hampton is next. The Steelers are cleaning house, much like they do every couple years.
They've historically erred on the side of caution, getting rid of players a year early rather than a year too late. I'm still disgusted about Ward being gone, but from a business angle that's clearly the right move.

[Stephen]

Kiper & McShay released their post-combine mock drafts this afternoon. McShay's looks ok; Kiper's is a train wreck...

[shilala]

I honestly don't even know the draft date. Is it the 17th?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

I honestly don't even know the draft date. Is it the 17th?

April 26-28, 2012.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

I honestly don't even know the draft date. Is it the 17th?

Also, in case you were wondering, both Kiper and McShay had the Steelers taking Dont'a Hightower, ILB from Alabama.

[shilala]

It looks like we're gonna need an inside linebacker. It's believable. And not at all out of order the way Steelers do things. That could definately end up happening.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

It looks like we're gonna need an inside linebacker. It's believable. And not at all out of order the way Steelers do things. That could definately end up happening.

He'd look great alongside Timmons. Hightower is a thumper.

[JenksAnejo]

Wow Blackmon killed it at the Pro-day.. 4.41 40 time

[Stephen]

So the Rams traded the #2 pick in this year's draft to the Redskins for:

1st round pick in 2012 (#6 overall)
1st round pick in 2013
1st round pick in 2014
2nd round pick in 2012 (#39 overall)

So I guess my question is...Did Al Davis' ghost broker this deal at the behest of the Redskins organization? The Rams didn't fleece the Redskins; they threw them in the chipper shredder.

With that said, I could definitely see the Browns raining on the Rams parade by drafting Blackmon with the #4 overall. If that were to happen, the Rams should do the smart thing and draft Trent Richardson. He's one of the four elite prospects in this draft (along with Luck/RGIII/Kalil) but in today's NFL RB isn't near a premium position it once was.

[shilala]

The Skins are hopeless. Until Dan Snyder strokes out, that team is doomed. He's the epitome of a hands-on owner that has no clue of how to build a ball team, but that really doesn't matter when you're the highest grossing team in the league. (Or are they 2nd now?)
I think this whole draft-guessing thing is more or less suspended until we see what Peyton does. He's likely to wrap up a team in the next week or so. Even though he went to see Elway, I can't see him playing there. Heck is, they definately have the parts, and if Peyton and Reggie Wayne show up, Denver is a threat. Maybe not a deep playoff threat, but by the end of next season I think Peyton can have them ready for a deep run with a minimum of shoring up player-wise. Elway is a winner and Peyton has to have huge respect for that, even though it's a cold-weather team and his numbers are hideous in the cold. All in all, Denver doesn't make sense.
Miami wants him in the worst kind of way, but AZ is a very valid option, too.
Who do you think is more poised to go to the show with Peyton and Wayne, AZ or Miami? I'd go with Miami. I've contended they're a QB away for the last 3 years, although AZ would do whatever it takes.
Which offense is more suited to Manning/Wayne?
(I'm pressing the Manning/Wayne issue because it's widely held that wherever Peyton goes, he's taking Reggie. So let's go with that scenario for now till we see what shakes out.)
I'd love to see Peyton in Miami, by the way. I think Flynn makes them a threat for years, but they want to sell tickets now because they're bleeding from the throat.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

Who do you think is more poised to go to the show with Peyton and Wayne, AZ or Miami?

If you're asking which team is more likely to go to the playoffs with Manning (assuming he's anywhere near the Manning of old of course) & Wayne, that's easy. Arizona. The Cardinals are much more likely to win the NFC West than the Dolphins are the AFC East.

[JenksAnejo]

I would hate to see the Rams draft Richardson with #6. They have way too many other needs than a RB. I could see them getting Brockers or some other help on defense if Blackmon gets drafted.

I'm really excited about the potential of the extra first rounders in '13 and '14 they both have potential to be top 5; the picks could possibly be top 10 or even higher depending on how RG 3 does.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

I would hate to see the Rams draft Richardson with #6. They have way too many other needs than a RB. I could see them getting Brockers or some other help on defense if Blackmon gets drafted.

While they might have bigger needs, it shouldn't be at the expense of drafting a lesser player (especially picking in the top ten). Jeff Fisher runs the piss out of the ball, and I just don't see Jackson holding up to the pounding and having someone like Richardson there will be invaluable in protecting the defense/Bradford. As an aside, I think Brockers is a bust waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

I'm really excited about the potential of the extra first rounders in '13 and '14 they both have potential to be top 5; the picks could possibly be top 10 or even higher depending on how RG 3 does.

If they're smart, they can parlay that #2 pick that they weren't going to use on RGIII anyways into the foundation of the next half decade. At the very least, this trade gives fans both of the Rams and Redskins something to be excited about.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Stephen

If you're asking which team is more likely to go to the playoffs with Manning (assuming he's anywhere near the Manning of old of course) & Wayne, that's easy. Arizona. The Cardinals are much more likely to win the NFC West than the Dolphins are the AFC East.

I kind of agree.
Do you think Whisenhunt would give Manning the leash he needs? I think it'd be a struggle for him to do it. To go from tight end coach to offensive coordinator to head coach to letting Peyton have full control of the offense, that's a stretch.
On the other hand, I think Philben would be relieved.

[JenksAnejo]

I honestly haven't watched enough film of Brockers to make an informed opinion. I have just seen some projections that have him going high. If blackmon is drafted by Cleveland maybe Claiborne will fall to 6. That's the best case scenario IMO. I think Claiborne is the 3rd best prospect in this class.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Stephen

If they're smart, they can parlay that #2 pick that they weren't going to use on RGIII anyways into the foundation of the next half decade. At the very least, this trade gives fans both of the Rams and Redskins something to be excited about.

I think the Rams just made the deal of the century.
I'm excited to see RG3 come in and play ball, so much so that I'm gonna have to get Directv this Fall, even though I hate it. I had the Directv experience in the past and had never-ending problems and they were worse than dealing with Verizon (may Verizon burn in hell for eternity).
I have more faith in 3 than Luck, and I have no idea why. It's just a gut feeling, even though I know Luck will work out because the Colts are just way too lucky for him not to work out.
If the Rams are smart, as you suggested, they can really make things happen this year. They could certainly go .500, I'd think. Regardless, their fans are going to get to see a better brand of ball.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

I think the Rams just made the deal of the century.
I'm excited to see RG3 come in and play ball, so much so that I'm gonna have to get Directv this Fall, even though I hate it. I had the Directv experience in the past and had never-ending problems and they were worse than dealing with Verizon (may Verizon burn in hell for eternity).
I have more faith in 3 than Luck, and I have no idea why. It's just a gut feeling, even though I know Luck will work out because the Colts are just way too lucky for him not to work out.
If the Rams are smart, as you suggested, they can really make things happen this year. They could certainly go .500, I'd think. Regardless, their fans are going to get to see a better brand of ball.

I have to admit, and it's based on nothing more than conjecture, but I think RGIII running Shanahan's offense will be a force. Elway and Plummer were deadly with those bootlegs; can you imagine someone with RGIII's ability running them?