Your opinion - Most overhyped cigar line?

[pektel]

Originally Posted by jluck

http://eugene.craigslist.org/for/3338535005.html

I wonder if they smoke like a $27 cigar should...

[jkim05]

Originally Posted by icehog3

10 whole Cubans? Oh, yeah, write them suckers off!

More for me.

OSOK, OPUS, Viaje and MUWAT.

[SvilleKid]

Originally Posted by jluck

http://eugene.craigslist.org/for/3338535005.html

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

The AF Opus X and Anejo's are other prime examples. These sell out fast, and at premium prices because there is a perceived "greatness about these in the marketplace. Hell, Fuentes doesn't even really need to advertise them, do they???? This is MARKET generated. And if it is generated by the people that ARE willing to pay the price, and that DO enjoy them, is it hype, or just their honest opinion? And a honest opinion IS NOT HYPE! While the FFOX may be rabidly sought and enjoyed by many here, I'm sure there are many that read this thread that would place the FFOX and the Anejos in the over-hyped category.

I know it's probably just me and my thought process, but I just feel that this is a thread that serves no purpose except for allowing for backdoor bashing of smokers that enjoy cigars that others do not! And while I'm sure the bashing is not meant to be personal by the posters, it is still out there hitting on everyone that actually like Gurkhas.... Or Tats..... Or Beehives...... Or Davidoffs..... Or FFOX..... Or any of the other cigars mentioned.

Just an opposing "Opinion" on the whole of the thread!

[lenguamor]

For me, "overhyped" has to do with lots of people singing something's praises, and when you try it, it disappoints. Not so much with advertising, since that's part of the deal; although the marketing on some cigars ranges from annoying to disgusting.

And only each of us can judge for ourselves the level of "hype" we perceive, against the effective outcome when we sample the product.

As for me, I didn't bash anything nor anyone. I mentioned Ilusione because it is a brand about which I had heard only praise, yet the times I have tried it, it has sorely disappointed. That's the long and the short of it.

If a thread asks for personal opinions and I have something to say, I'm going to say it as my opinion.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by lenguamor

For me, "overhyped" has to do with lots of people singing something's praises, and when you try it, it disappoints. Not so much with advertising, since that's part of the deal

Agreed, which is why I'd have to say Opus. They're just barely above a yardgar/dog rocket IMHO yet everyone seems to think they're the Second Coming and they're priced to match that rep. Don't get it

Davidoff. Easily. It's decent at best, costs an arm and a leg, and every rich tool who pretends to know cigars recommends them.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Mbpardue

Davidoff. Easily. It's decent at best, costs an arm and a leg, and every rich tool who pretends to know cigars recommends them.

Nice first post.

[sevans105]

For me, there are two sets of hype. One from the manufacturer...advertising, MASSIVE releases, tons of events. And two, from the reviewers/smokers/blogosphere. Sometimes those two overlap with paid reviews and blogs.

In the first category, Drew Estate and Gurkha win hands down.

In the second, Opus and Davidoff. I WANT to like these. At the price points, I try REALLY hard to like these. But in the end, I've had Gurkha's better than Opus. These brands have the cache...they are the ones you smoke if you want to impress someone else. For me, they really aren't worth the money.

The Cubans don't have any advertising here in the US but the forums and blogospheres are full of their reviews and praises. For me, I really like the Cohiba VI, but I know not everyone does. I don't like it $30 a stick worth though. Actually, I can't think of ANY cigars that I'd pay that much for. But that's me. And my opinion.

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Nice first post.

[BHalbrooks]

Originally Posted by Mbpardue

Davidoff. Easily. It's decent at best, costs an arm and a leg, and every rich tool who pretends to know cigars recommends them.

Originally Posted by pnoon

Nice first post.

hahahaahahahahahaha

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Nice first post.

Davidoff is a solid line of cigars IMO. Expensive yes, but they have been at the top level of NC's since their inception. They are for a certain palate and I find them to be a complementing cigar rather than a focused cigar like many of the big name NC's are. Davidoff is subtle and refined; not a full bodied as smokers long for today.

[ziggy4112003]

Gurkha's to pricey and way to much goes into the boxes and packaging whereas they would be better off putting said funds in purchasing better tobacco all around and the fermenting processes. I here they have some decent sticks but I for one based on the dog rockets of theirs I have had will never purchase one.

[68TriShield]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Davidoff is a solid line of cigars IMO. Expensive yes,

I agree with your thoughts on the line.Without fail a beautiful wrapper and perfect construction and draw.But as you said,expensive.For me,too expensive.

I would like to know the source of peoples hype.
A good half of my perceived hype comes from right here.The other half anymore comes from emails from cigar catalogs,Famous and CI etc.

[kingcobradude]

to me it is the opus x line. I was at a cigar shop in wichita recently and they had some smaller opus x torpedos going for under 10 bucks. I picked up a couple and smoked one so far. I can see why they fetch so much. though why would I pay 25 plus for one stick when I can get one for under 10.then theres the 700 odollar or so ghurkha. I like ghurkhas, but not 700 dollars for one

[44stampede]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Davidoff is a solid line of cigars IMO. Expensive yes, but they have been at the top level of NC's since their inception. They are for a certain palate and I find them to be a complementing cigar rather than a focused cigar like many of the big name NC's are. Davidoff is subtle and refined; not a full bodied as smokers long for today.

I agree. I love the Davidoff Special R

It is more on the mild side for sure but really enjoyable...

[omowasu]

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

I agree with your thoughts on the line.Without fail a beautiful wrapper and perfect construction and draw.But as you said,expensive.For me,too expensive.

I would like to know the source of peoples hype.
A good half of my perceived hype comes from right here.The other half anymore comes from emails from cigar catalogs,Famous and CI etc.

At least half of my definition of "hype" comes from cigar magazines and cigar marketing. Seeing a so-so cigar rated higher than obviously better smokes, then turning the page to see a full spread advertisement from the same manufacturer, etc...

More of the "hype" comes from pricing. Any cigar priced highly is bound to generate some hype. And more dissapointment when it doesnt live up to what was spent.

And even more comes from "tuxedoing" - using super expensive lacquered boxes and packaging to sell an average product, claiming use of older tobaccos in blends without proof, releasing limited editions that arent any better than production runs but make cigar smokers believe they need to buy them now, etc...

I dont see this as a hate thread, its entertaining seeing what everyone else thinks. As for two of three I said were overhyped, I mentioned that they were average cigars - I dont hate them and certainly wouldnt refuse one if offered to me in lieu of a Tamboril or Cremosa (or Swisher Sweet!). I actually really like FFOX cigars, but Im not offended that someone else says they are overhyped (which they are to some degree) or that they dont like them. Smoke whatcha like!

[dave]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

The AF Opus X and Anejo's are other prime examples. These sell out fast, and at premium prices because there is a perceived "greatness about these in the marketplace. Hell, Fuentes doesn't even really need to advertise them, do they???? This is MARKET generated. And if it is generated by the people that ARE willing to pay the price, and that DO enjoy them, is it hype, or just their honest opinion? And a honest opinion IS NOT HYPE! While the FFOX may be rabidly sought and enjoyed by many here, I'm sure there are many that read this thread that would place the FFOX and the Anejos in the over-hyped category.

I know it's probably just me and my thought process, but I just feel that this is a thread that serves no purpose except for allowing for backdoor bashing of smokers that enjoy cigars that others do not! And while I'm sure the bashing is not meant to be personal by the posters, it is still out there hitting on everyone that actually like Gurkhas.... Or Tats..... Or Beehives...... Or Davidoffs..... Or FFOX..... Or any of the other cigars mentioned.

Just an opposing "Opinion" on the whole of the thread!

Good points and I agree with all. I do think that Pete Johnson deserves the 'hype' label in the case of all the Tat monsters: the gimmicky Halloween release dates and 'spooky' packaging, release games, unsatisfactory stinky boxes, tweeting and FB'ing his own hype machine, etc. I mean...TRADING CARDS, for crying out loud?

I love me some Tats and enjoy one almost daily, so I'm not bashing cigars I don't like - I'm just unimpressed with aspects of the marketing.

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

Say what you will about the Monster series in General (to some, the best thing to happen to cigars, to others, stupid tripe marketing for 10 year olds), but the Mummy is a pretty great cigar, when you get rid of all of the hype surrounding the actual release.

IMHO.

[MajorCaptSilly]

It's really pretty simple. Some manufacturers experimented with limited editions and it worked. As long as it works, we'll be seeing more LEs. I call it marketing vs hype. If I could sell limited edition server equipment at a premium price and get people to buy more of my "regular" server equipment, i would do it in a heartbeat.


MCS