World Cup Banter - Page 5

ColdCuts · 07-02-2014, 11:33 PM

Well, it's been over 24hrs now. There's been no futbol today so I've been processing the US loss to Belgium. Some thoughts:

The better team won.
Howard made 16 saves, a World Cup record! Problem is, he shouldn't have had to work so damn hard.
Donovan should have been in the roster. This became especially clear once Altidore was injured and Dempsey was forced to play alone up top.
Bradley was not at his best. Here again, we could've used Donovan's creativity in the middle.
Our back line was super nervy. Gonzales was generally great. Cameron was generally not.
In MLS, Zusi is known for his great crosses and corners. Where were those?
Jones and Dempsey are both BEASTS.
Green and Yedlin were bright spots.

Our boys played with tons of heart. Battered and broken they never quit. I'm extraordinarily proud of them for that.

On the other side of the coin, I'm sure that even the casual observer can see we need to breakthrough to a higher level if we're ever going to be world-beaters.

mjdx88 · 07-03-2014, 11:39 AM

I couldn't agree more. I felt the play was very sloppy on our side with tons of missed opportunities.

This I think will be a great lesson, and will only help us in the long run to become a better team. I loved all the heart the team put into the match in the final minutes, I couldnt have asked for a better match.

GTsetGO · 07-03-2014, 12:27 PM

I agree with everything except for the Donovan stuff. I really think keeping him off the roster was the right thing to do.

CRIMPS · 07-03-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GTsetGO

I agree with everything except for the Donovan stuff. I really think keeping him off the roster was the right thing to do.

+1

markem · 07-03-2014, 02:52 PM

I agree with several point that Dave made. However ...

Donovan was left out. Woulda, coulda and shoulda. Personally, I do not think that the presence of one person could have changed that game.

The US played below their capability. They have conditioning and defense on their side, but where was it? The injury was huge, but a good coach plans for at least one catastrophe each game.

Howard did not play any different than he has played in the BPL. That he was so much beyond the rest of the team is the lesson that should be learned. MLS is not! on the level of the rest of the world.

I do not have a solution to the problem that I just mentioned, but I am a Portland Timbers supporter

At the end of the day, it could have been 5-0 at the end of regulation, but was not. The fans were treated to world class defense by Howard and some amazing efforts by the rest of the US team. That the Belgium team did not have to play beyond their ability is a testament to their ability, not a slight to the US.

pnoon · 07-03-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by markem

I agree with several point that Dave made. However ...

Donovan was left out. Woulda, coulda and shoulda. Personally, I do not think that the presence of one person could have changed that game.

The US played below their capability. They have conditioning and defense on their side, but where was it? The injury was huge, but a good coach plans for at least one catastrophe each game.

Howard did not play any different than he has played in the BPL. That he was so much beyond the rest of the team is the lesson that should be learned. MLS is not! on the level of the rest of the world.

I do not have a solution to the problem that I just mentioned, but I am a Portland Timbers supporter

At the end of the day, it could have been 5-0 at the end of regulation, but was not. The fans were treated to world class defense by Howard and some amazing efforts by the rest of the US team. That the Belgium team did not have to play beyond their ability is a testament to their ability, not a slight to the US.

I agree with most of what you posted, Mark. But one point I strongly disagree with is in regard to our defense. IMO, the US defense (not goalkeeping) is the weak point of the team. They are nowhere near the level of the best teams in Europe and South America.

As for Donovan, I think it was a risky/gutsy call that Klinsmann made to leave him off the squad. The injury to Altidore hurt more without Donovan to pick up the slack. But I think Klinsmann made the right choice.

Yedlin was impressive and will only get better.

07-03-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

IMO, the US defense (not goalkeeping) is the weak point of the team. They are nowhere near the level of the best teams in Europe and South America.

+1 From what I saw the US defense was not up to world standards throughout the tournament. I don't think the team ever believed they could win so until they had nothing to loose they didn't give it everything they had. With that said however they did a great job.

Gabe215 · 07-04-2014, 10:27 AM

Happy 4th everyone, big games today! Two countries that love each other Germany v France! Down the Jersey Shore stuck inside from Hurricane Arthur, hope we keep power!! Columbia v Brazil should be very interesting as well!

pnoon · 07-04-2014, 10:30 AM

Gonna watch some great futbol and put a couple of racks of baby backs on the smoker.

ColdCuts · 07-05-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Gonna watch some great futbol and put a couple of racks of baby backs on the smoker.

Add to what Peter said a couple of good cigars, you've got the best day EVER.

Good matches on today too.

pnoon · 07-05-2014, 09:46 AM

To be honest, I thought the France/Germany match was dull.

Brazil/Colombia was high energy and entertaining.

ColdCuts · 07-05-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

To be honest, I thought the France/Germany match was dull.

Brazil/Colombia was high energy and entertaining.

Agreed.

You know, now that Neymar's World Cup is over due to a fractured vertebra, and let's face it, Brazil weren't looking invincible anyway, I think there's a good chance Germany knocks 'em out on Tuesday.

Peter, it's a shame we live on opposite coasts. I'd have liked to drop in on you yesterday to introduce myself in person after all these years... and see if you needed any help operating that smoker.

pnoon · 07-05-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdCuts

Agreed.

You know, now that Neymar's World Cup is over due to a fractured vertebra, and let's face it, Brazil weren't looking invincible anyway, I think there's a good chance Germany knocks 'em out on Tuesday.

Peter, it's a shame we live on opposite coasts. I'd have liked to drop in on you yesterday to introduce myself in person after all these years... and see if you needed any help operating that smoker.

We will make it happen one day, David. I would love to share a smoke, a beverage, some smoked food, and conversation.

I do make it back to southern Connecticut now and then. I grew up there and still have extended family there.

Looks like Suarez is headed to Barca.

ColdCuts · 07-05-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

We will make it happen one day, David. I would love to share a smoke, a beverage, some smoked food, and conversation.

I do make it back to southern Connecticut now and then. I grew up there and still have extended family there.

Peter, this would be nothing short of amazing. It'd be surreal, really.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Looks like Suarez is headed to Barca.

If the move is finalized, how would you feel about him going? Big boots to fill.

pnoon · 07-05-2014, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdCuts

Peter, this would be nothing short of amazing. It'd be surreal, really.

If the move is finalized, how would you feel about him going? Big boots to fill.

World class striker. Tough to lose that. But Liverpool has lots of talent and the huge transfer fee can be used for other players.

DMK · 07-05-2014, 06:00 PM

Wow!! Hard fought game. I don't think the best team won.

Gabe215 · 07-05-2014, 07:03 PM

I heard Balotelli and Huntelaar are both being lined up as a Suarez replacement! YNWA!!!

pnoon · 07-05-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215

I heard Balotelli and Huntelaar are both being lined up as a Suarez replacement! YNWA!!!

Balotelli is a huge talent but a real head case. Huntelaar would be cool.

ColdCuts · 07-08-2014, 02:56 PM

Say, is there a game today?

icehog3 · 07-08-2014, 03:15 PM

I heard some co-workers talking about Brazil, but I figured they were just getting bikini-waxed.

07-02-2014, 11:33 PM	#81
ColdCuts Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Queens, NY Posts: 375 Trading: (10)	Re: World Cup Banter Well, it's been over 24hrs now. There's been no futbol today so I've been processing the US loss to Belgium. Some thoughts: The better team won. Howard made 16 saves, a World Cup record! Problem is, he shouldn't have had to work so damn hard. Donovan should have been in the roster. This became especially clear once Altidore was injured and Dempsey was forced to play alone up top. Bradley was not at his best. Here again, we could've used Donovan's creativity in the middle. Our back line was super nervy. Gonzales was generally great. Cameron was generally not. In MLS, Zusi is known for his great crosses and corners. Where were those? Jones and Dempsey are both BEASTS. Green and Yedlin were bright spots. Our boys played with tons of heart. Battered and broken they never quit. I'm extraordinarily proud of them for that. On the other side of the coin, I'm sure that even the casual observer can see we need to breakthrough to a higher level if we're ever going to be world-beaters. __________________

07-03-2014, 11:39 AM	#82
mjdx88 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 133 Trading: (1)	Re: World Cup Banter I couldn't agree more. I felt the play was very sloppy on our side with tons of missed opportunities. This I think will be a great lesson, and will only help us in the long run to become a better team. I loved all the heart the team put into the match in the final minutes, I couldnt have asked for a better match.

07-03-2014, 12:27 PM	#83
GTsetGO those were the droids Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Rob Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,686 Trading: (5)	Re: World Cup Banter I agree with everything except for the Donovan stuff. I really think keeping him off the roster was the right thing to do. __________________ Modded Mustangs

07-03-2014, 02:52 PM	#85
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,622 Trading: (47)	Re: World Cup Banter I agree with several point that Dave made. However ... Donovan was left out. Woulda, coulda and shoulda. Personally, I do not think that the presence of one person could have changed that game. The US played below their capability. They have conditioning and defense on their side, but where was it? The injury was huge, but a good coach plans for at least one catastrophe each game. Howard did not play any different than he has played in the BPL. That he was so much beyond the rest of the team is the lesson that should be learned. MLS is not! on the level of the rest of the world. I do not have a solution to the problem that I just mentioned, but I am a Portland Timbers supporter At the end of the day, it could have been 5-0 at the end of regulation, but was not. The fans were treated to world class defense by Howard and some amazing efforts by the rest of the US team. That the Belgium team did not have to play beyond their ability is a testament to their ability, not a slight to the US. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

07-04-2014, 10:27 AM	#88
Gabe215 Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Gabe Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,120 Trading: (20)	Re: World Cup Banter Happy 4th everyone, big games today! Two countries that love each other Germany v France! Down the Jersey Shore stuck inside from Hurricane Arthur, hope we keep power!! Columbia v Brazil should be very interesting as well!

07-04-2014, 10:30 AM	#89
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: World Cup Banter Gonna watch some great futbol and put a couple of racks of baby backs on the smoker. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

07-05-2014, 09:46 AM	#91
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: World Cup Banter To be honest, I thought the France/Germany match was dull. Brazil/Colombia was high energy and entertaining. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

07-05-2014, 06:00 PM	#96
DMK S.O.B. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Darryl Location: Hamilton, ON. Canada. Posts: 2,747 Trading: (86)	Re: World Cup Banter Wow!! Hard fought game. I don't think the best team won. __________________ Darryl, SOB...

07-05-2014, 07:03 PM	#97
Gabe215 Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Gabe Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,120 Trading: (20)	Re: World Cup Banter I heard Balotelli and Huntelaar are both being lined up as a Suarez replacement! YNWA!!!

07-08-2014, 02:56 PM	#99
ColdCuts Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Queens, NY Posts: 375 Trading: (10)	Re: World Cup Banter Say, is there a game today? __________________

07-08-2014, 03:15 PM	#100
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: World Cup Banter I heard some co-workers talking about Brazil, but I figured they were just getting bikini-waxed. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!