NHL '13-'14 Season Thread - Page 44

357 · 07-02-2014, 05:27 PM

That's exactly what I'm getting at. I love the young forwards you mentioned along with a couple others. Obviously their starts Dats and Z are old. Kronwall is very good but older. Not as old as Pav/Z. DeKeyser and Smith are good young D-men. We just need a couple more solid D-men. Heck I'd like another forward but I'm not trying to be picky. It just seems to be too much to be a coincidence.

Ahbroody · 07-02-2014, 11:51 PM

I have been saying for years the salary cap would be the end of Detroits reign and free agents would go else where. As much as Wings fans wont want to face facts back in the day they could pay to get the remaining pieces every year or so to be a cup contender. Those days are gone. The wings last cup was 07-08 and that season the cup had not fully taken afffect as teams could still be over the cap on existing contracts. When 09 came around and every year since nobody comes. Players today dont care about history. Players care about (money as is obvious with the Sharks heartless stars) and winning a title.

Puck daddy just put out an article on the Wings and why no one wants to come. I would just like to say I have been saying this in the nhl thread for at least 3 years. A search of my posts will prove this. The salary cap killed the Yankees errrrr Red Wings. Most fans around the league couldnt be happier to watch this either. Tough for this Sharks fan to gloat to much having a bunch of gutless chokers over here and a team known for under achieving and embarrassing playoff performances

357 · 07-03-2014, 12:12 PM

I understand the cap has created more parity in the league and that the Wings are not the Yankees anymore. However, during the CBA stuff, the salaries were reduced across the board by something like 20% and the Wings have been under the cap since it existed. There was no grandfathered anything. The instant reduction took care of that.

What I don't get is why teams that aren't even in the playoffs, nor are they likely to be in the near future, land better FAs. I understand that great history and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee. It just seems somehow the Wings are tainted and FAs are avoiding us like the plague. They had to settle for Quincy at 2 years for $8.5 million? Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

3-4 years ago the exuse (for lack of FA signings) was the core is old and no young talent coming up. Now we have good young players on O and D. Yet, no dice. I think Ian White is the biggest name we've signed since Hossa; not counting Alfredson since he's 40. It's frustrating because I feel they aren't that far away. 1 top 4 d-man and one more just to fill out the top 6 and they'd be in a good spot. Assuming they are healthy of course.

357 · 07-03-2014, 12:19 PM

Not saying odds on favorite, but a contender rather than fighting for a 7/8 seed.

CRIMPS · 07-03-2014, 01:47 PM

There are a number of things going against the Wings, many of which you documented. Part of the Wing's issues, though, may simply be cyclical. With the CBA, teams will go through more of a cycle with their aging players/contracts.

357 · 07-03-2014, 02:12 PM

Good point Zach. I'm used to having my cake and eating it too with them. Similar to how the Michigan Wolverines never had a down year for 3 decades. I mean, a very "down year" was 8-4 and a bowl appearance. I guess I'm spoiled a bit.

icehog3 · 07-03-2014, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 357

Good point Zach. I'm used to having my cake and eating it too with them. Similar to how the Michigan Wolverines never had a down year for 3 decades. I mean, a very "down year" was 8-4 and a bowl appearance. I guess I'm spoiled a bit.

Until football season starts.

dvickery · 07-04-2014, 11:26 AM

edmonton has always had problems signing ufa's ... they end up having to offer more $$$ and longer contracts .

partly due to a "non winning" culture ... but (i believe) a lot has to do with location . edmonton is "northerly" and a smallish city .

perhaps this can also be used to explain why detroit is snubbed also ... northern local and no stanley cup runs in the forseeable future .

if someone gave me the choix ... live in detroit or tampa ???

derrek

E.J. · 07-05-2014, 05:57 PM

Leads us to this, 5M contract, what city do you play in?

Since I do not know tax rates at each NHL city & you are being taxed on the road anyway...bla, bla, bla...don't figure that in.

icehog3 · 07-09-2014, 01:59 PM

Blackhawks lock up Toews and Kane, each for 8 years at 10.5 million per.

I predict at least 2 more Cups for them.

nutcracker · 07-09-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Blackhawks lock up Toews and Kane, each for 8 years at 10.5 million per.

I predict at least 2 more Cups for them.

Premium dough for premium players.
Worth every penny to the club.

357 · 07-10-2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3

Blackhawks lock up Toews and Kane, each for 8 years at 10.5 million per.

I predict at least 2 more Cups for them.

That's about 33% of your payroll locked into two guys. Two very good ones, just saying.

CRIMPS · 07-10-2014, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3

Blackhawks lock up Toews and Kane, each for 8 years at 10.5 million per.

I predict at least 2 more Cups for them.

Stars front office and fans were watching this. Though still locked up for a few more years, Seguin and Benn will command comparable money.

icehog3 · 07-10-2014, 01:58 PM

Toews and Kane had all the leverage, Mike, can you imagine fan reaction if the Hawks let one of them walk? Wish they would have settled for 9 - 9.5, but it is what it is. Hopefully the cap goes up to near 80 mill in '15-'16, then it won;t hurt as bad.

nutcracker · 07-10-2014, 03:07 PM

Well it ain't baseball yet!

AdamJoshua · 07-30-2014, 06:00 PM

Well it's an NHL thing and kind of a cool little piece of useless knowledge.

Quote:

“You've had a Detroit Red Wings sticker on one of your acoustic guitars for years now. How did you get it and why have you kept it on there for all these years? Being from the Detroit area I'm very curious”.

We caught up with Paul recently to find out. He replied,

“We were on a Wings tour quite a while ago and when we played Detroit somebody gave me a Red Wings sticker, which I liked the look of, so I stuck it on my guitar and I have kept it there ever since. It does make it a little awkward when I go to places like Pittsburgh and the Mayor of the town offers me a Penguin sticker to put alongside!”

357 · 08-04-2014, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Well it's an NHL thing and kind of a cool little piece of useless knowledge.

He has great taste!

icehog3 · 07-30-2014, 06:09 PM

Cool!

icehog3 · 08-02-2014, 03:21 PM

8 years at 9 million per year for P.K. Subban. Wow.

AdamJoshua · 08-02-2014, 03:50 PM

Finding guys that can throw elbows and cheap shots at people's heads are few and far between, hell the bruins only have guys that spray water... oh wait he's gone (actually going to miss him), oh and don't forget his skill in knocking the net off the moorings and not getting called for delay of game, 3 times in one playoffs.

07-02-2014, 05:27 PM	#1
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread That's exactly what I'm getting at. I love the young forwards you mentioned along with a couple others. Obviously their starts Dats and Z are old. Kronwall is very good but older. Not as old as Pav/Z. DeKeyser and Smith are good young D-men. We just need a couple more solid D-men. Heck I'd like another forward but I'm not trying to be picky. It just seems to be too much to be a coincidence. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

07-02-2014, 11:51 PM	#2
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread I have been saying for years the salary cap would be the end of Detroits reign and free agents would go else where. As much as Wings fans wont want to face facts back in the day they could pay to get the remaining pieces every year or so to be a cup contender. Those days are gone. The wings last cup was 07-08 and that season the cup had not fully taken afffect as teams could still be over the cap on existing contracts. When 09 came around and every year since nobody comes. Players today dont care about history. Players care about (money as is obvious with the Sharks heartless stars) and winning a title. Puck daddy just put out an article on the Wings and why no one wants to come. I would just like to say I have been saying this in the nhl thread for at least 3 years. A search of my posts will prove this. The salary cap killed the Yankees errrrr Red Wings. Most fans around the league couldnt be happier to watch this either. Tough for this Sharks fan to gloat to much having a bunch of gutless chokers over here and a team known for under achieving and embarrassing playoff performances

07-03-2014, 12:12 PM	#3
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread I understand the cap has created more parity in the league and that the Wings are not the Yankees anymore. However, during the CBA stuff, the salaries were reduced across the board by something like 20% and the Wings have been under the cap since it existed. There was no grandfathered anything. The instant reduction took care of that. What I don't get is why teams that aren't even in the playoffs, nor are they likely to be in the near future, land better FAs. I understand that great history and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee. It just seems somehow the Wings are tainted and FAs are avoiding us like the plague. They had to settle for Quincy at 2 years for $8.5 million? Horrible. Absolutely horrible. 3-4 years ago the exuse (for lack of FA signings) was the core is old and no young talent coming up. Now we have good young players on O and D. Yet, no dice. I think Ian White is the biggest name we've signed since Hossa; not counting Alfredson since he's 40. It's frustrating because I feel they aren't that far away. 1 top 4 d-man and one more just to fill out the top 6 and they'd be in a good spot. Assuming they are healthy of course. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

07-03-2014, 12:19 PM	#4
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Not saying odds on favorite, but a contender rather than fighting for a 7/8 seed. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

07-03-2014, 01:47 PM	#5
CRIMPS Benn/Seguin best friends Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Zach Location: North Texas Posts: 1,520 Trading: (50)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread There are a number of things going against the Wings, many of which you documented. Part of the Wing's issues, though, may simply be cyclical. With the CBA, teams will go through more of a cycle with their aging players/contracts. __________________ I'm a Dallas Stars fan. So, yes, this is a confusing time for me.

07-03-2014, 02:12 PM	#6
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Good point Zach. I'm used to having my cake and eating it too with them. Similar to how the Michigan Wolverines never had a down year for 3 decades. I mean, a very "down year" was 8-4 and a bowl appearance. I guess I'm spoiled a bit. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

07-04-2014, 11:26 AM	#8
dvickery Team of 1 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: derrek Location: edson , alberta , canada Posts: 685 Trading: (0)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread edmonton has always had problems signing ufa's ... they end up having to offer more $$$ and longer contracts . partly due to a "non winning" culture ... but (i believe) a lot has to do with location . edmonton is "northerly" and a smallish city . perhaps this can also be used to explain why detroit is snubbed also ... northern local and no stanley cup runs in the forseeable future . if someone gave me the choix ... live in detroit or tampa ??? derrek __________________ i hope i someday become the man my dog thinks i am

07-05-2014, 05:57 PM	#9
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Leads us to this, 5M contract, what city do you play in? Since I do not know tax rates at each NHL city & you are being taxed on the road anyway...bla, bla, bla...don't figure that in.

07-09-2014, 01:59 PM	#10
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,882 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Blackhawks lock up Toews and Kane, each for 8 years at 10.5 million per. I predict at least 2 more Cups for them. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-10-2014, 01:58 PM	#14
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,882 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Toews and Kane had all the leverage, Mike, can you imagine fan reaction if the Hawks let one of them walk? Wish they would have settled for 9 - 9.5, but it is what it is. Hopefully the cap goes up to near 80 mill in '15-'16, then it won;t hurt as bad. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-10-2014, 03:07 PM	#15
nutcracker Shameless epicurian Join Date: Apr 2014 First Name: Neil Location: Winnipeg, Canada - Home of the Jets! Posts: 1,631 Trading: (26)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Well it ain't baseball yet!

07-30-2014, 06:09 PM	#18
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,882 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Cool! __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-02-2014, 03:21 PM	#19
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,882 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread 8 years at 9 million per year for P.K. Subban. Wow. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-02-2014, 03:50 PM	#20
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: NHL '13-'14 Season Thread Finding guys that can throw elbows and cheap shots at people's heads are few and far between, hell the bruins only have guys that spray water... oh wait he's gone (actually going to miss him), oh and don't forget his skill in knocking the net off the moorings and not getting called for delay of game, 3 times in one playoffs.