New York Mets 2012 Banter

[kelmac07]

I couldn't believe the condition of the field after the 6th...it's like the ground crew went on strike. No dry sweep, nothing.

[Dave128]

It did look pretty bad. Lots of standing water on top of the clay. That must have been slippery.

[kelmac07]

Dicket gets blown up in the 6th as the Mets lose to the Nats, 5-2. At this rate, won't be long before we're in the cellar again.

The real question...will the Mets keep Wright???

[Dave128]

As much as it would kill me to see Wright go, he might be better off. Although, Alderson should be building the team around him.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by Dave128

Alderson should be building the team around him.

They Did build the team around Wright!
Remember those teams that fell apart, all those years in a row?
They were built around Wright and Reyes!

The Mets should absolutely trade Wright!
Why? Because he will absolutely sign with them again in the off-season!
Why? Because NOBODY OVERVALUES David Wright like the Mets and their fans!
Why? I have no idea why!
I've never seen a player be more loved for doing absolutely nothing.
He's won nothing here, and his stats aren't that impressive!

[kelmac07]

Absolutely nothing??? Come on Dom. While he hasn't won anything...he has been an All Star caliber third baseman and a stellar member for the Mets, both in the clubhouse and in the community. While his numbers aren't HOF material, he is a damn fine ballplayer and an even better guy. And he's old school in that he plays the game the right way. Is he ever gonna have Jeter's rings or numbers? NO...but then again he's never had a supporting cast like Jeter. But that doesn't mean he has done absolutely nothing.

Stats for 7 1/2 years in the big leagues...while not HOF matieral, but I'd take him over any Yankee third baseman (except maybe for Nettles who had a better glove, but didn't hit much).

1199 Games, 4507 At Bats, 761 Runs, 1367 Hits, 2310 Total Bases, 311 2B, 19 3B, 198 HR, 792 RBI, 591 BB, 956 SO, 161 SB, 52CS, .303 AVG, .384 OBP, . 513 SLG

[jonumberone]

Mac, you misunderstood me.
I was not slamming David Wright, I was slamming Met fans.
You hit the nail on the head when you said "while not HOF material"
And, I agree, he's not, but Met fans act like, and treat him, as if he is an un-replaceable, all time great.
I think David Wright is a fine ballplayer, and His numbers fall in line with a ton of good ballplayers, but he is easily replaceable!
His career averages are .300/22hr/88rbi, in line with players like Damon, Eithier, Swisher.
All good players, but none that are un-replaceable.
You can't even argue that he has intangible value.
What's the biggest, best, most defining moment of his career?
Very hard to come up with one!
Why?
Because he's never won a big game, with his bat or his glove!

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Mac, you misunderstood me.
I was not slamming David Wright, I was slamming Met fans.
You hit the nail on the head when you said "while not HOF material"
And, I agree, he's not, but Met fans act like, and treat him, as if he is an un-replaceable, all time great.
I think David Wright is a fine ballplayer, and His numbers fall in line with a ton of good ballplayers, but he is easily replaceable!
His career averages are .300/22hr/88rbi, in line with players like Damon, Eithier, Swisher.
All good players, but none that are un-replaceable.
You can't even argue that he has intangible value.
What's the biggest, best, most defining moment of his career?
Very hard to come up with one!
Why?
Because he's never won a big game, with his bat or his glove!

While I agree that he shouldn't be deemed untradeable, my thought is this. Isn't it better to have a real good clubhouse guy like Wright, a professional hitter, a guy who does the right thing, and is there to teach the younger generation you are trying to bring up? I'm not saying build around him, but build with him. Like you said Dom, we overvalue him more than anybody else, so what are we going to get back for him? Maybe 1 solid prospect and a few guys who may never crack the big leagues? In my mind I'd rather have him here, because I just don't think there is value out there, and teams aren't screaming "we want David Wright and are willing to give up our 3 best prospects for him."

[kelmac07]

No arguement other than he is currently the face of the franchise. The Mets need to build around something...if they don't stand for something, they'll fall for everything. What better player to build around than David? We cannot continue to shuttle old and past their prime free agents in and out of the lineup thinking we'll gonna hit the lotto and win. We need to rebuild our farm system and stick with it. Our pitching is horrendous this year..and what has Alderson done to fix it?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

And don't get me started on Bay.

[kelmac07]

And the slide continue as we get swept by the Nats 5-2 this afternoon. We've won one damn game since the all star break....ONE!!

And they send Duda down to Triple A...why the hell wasn't Ike sent down earlier?? I don't understand this team at all.

[kelmac07]

Mets beat the Dbacks last night 3-1 as Harvey makes his MLB debut and strikes out 11 in 5 1/3 innings and goes 2-2 at the plate. Surprised the bullpen didn't blow it for him.

[Dave128]

The bullpen tried to blow the game, but they didn't succeed! Harvey did a great job. I was impressed that he was throwing all different angles - inside and outside, up and down. I hope he can settle in and be reliable.

[kelmac07]

As the slide continues, Neise melts down in the 2nd. We lose to the Dbacks 11-5. That cellar is getting closer and closer.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by kelmac07

And he's old school in that he plays the game the right way.

Originally Posted by yachties23

like Wright, a professional hitter, a guy who does the right thing,

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

Zip it Dom!!

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

Was Wright playing the game the right way, or doing the right thing, when he decided not to run to first on a dropped strike 3 against the Nats?

Robinson Cano... that is all...

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by yachties23

Robinson Cano... that is all...

Touche!!

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by yachties23

Robinson Cano... that is all...

I never came in here proclaiming Cano as a "player who plays the game the right way".
If fact, the M.O. on Cano is that he's a lazy player, with talent that makes up for his shortcomings in the hustle department.
His being lazy and not working hard enough is what led to the trade of Melky Cabrera.

[kelmac07]

I can't condone this...he should have ran it out, frustrated or not. Quit stirring the pot Dom.

[yachties23]

Originally Posted by jonumberone

I never came in here proclaiming Cano as a "player who plays the game the right way".
If fact, the M.O. on Cano is that he's a lazy player, with talent that makes up for his shortcomings in the hustle department.
His being lazy and not working hard enough is what led to the trade of Melky Cabrera.

I just think one or two indiscretions on Wrights part pale in comparrison to the best player on the Yankees either hotdogging it or not putting in half the effort he should.

All that aside, Wight is a leader, and using your own argument, the Mets value him more than any other team will, so when we wouldn't get much back, why trade him. In light of Harvey coming up and being very good the other night, and the rumors that they may even bring up Wheeler this year, I think having a veteran presence in the locker room is necessary. Who else is that going to be? Maybe Johan or Dickey, but it is pretty clear to see that Wright is the leader of the team.