Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) - Page 30

kenstogie · 02-27-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bing

Thanks, gents. I'll do my best to avoid it until I have a proper size humidor and a bank account to match. Heck, I'm having enough trouble with CI. On the other hand, if I overstock now, it will force me to let some of them age.

Coolers are cheap work great as humidors and are easy to hide from significant others.

Plus they keep the temp more consistant.

colinb913 · 03-27-2010, 08:26 PM

Well, it pains me to say that I have a newb question so here goes.. When you guys purge, how hard do you *ahem* blow?.. I see pictures of flames at the end of the cigar, I never get that. Just lots and lots of smoke. Once I *ahem* blew so hard that the ash fell off, but that hasn't happened since.. So how hard does one have to exhale *aha!* to purge?

NCRadioMan · 03-27-2010, 08:29 PM

You hold a lighters flame to the end of the cigar then blow. You can't get a flame by just blowing through the cigar alone. Then, keep blowing till the flame dies.

colinb913 · 03-27-2010, 08:35 PM

Ohh! That makes sense now...

03-28-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

You hold a lighters flame to the end of the cigar then blow. You can't get a flame by just blowing through the cigar alone. Then, keep blowing till the flame dies.

I've never heard of this. What is the benifit?

bobarian · 03-28-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew

I've never heard of this. What is the benifit?

Sometimes a cigar can get an off taste part of the way through. By purging or blowing back through the coal, you burn off excess tar and other contaminants.
By using a lighter you get a nice light show. "Oooh, pretty colors"

Rabidsquirrel · 03-28-2010, 01:19 PM

Don't try it on a windy day with a particularly short cigar. 'Nuff said.

theonlybear4CORT · 03-28-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Sometimes a cigar can get an off taste part of the way through. By purging or blowing back through the coal, you burn off excess tar and other contaminants.
By using a lighter you get a nice light show. "Oooh, pretty colors"

But Bob what's what you said when I purged @ Huy's house remember

Wolfgang · 03-28-2010, 02:22 PM

Which end do I light?

Chris. · 03-28-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by colinb913

Ohh! That makes sense now...

The flame is an indicator of the ammount of ammonia in the cigar. I usually blow for a couple second then touch the foot with the flame for a second and it will flare up. Dont blow through more than a few seconds though, if you've really been enjoying the cigar. It tends to change the flavor a bit.

T.G · 03-28-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris.

The flame is an indicator of the ammount of ammonia in the cigar. I usually blow for a couple second then touch the foot with the flame for a second and it will flare up. Dont blow through more than a few seconds though, if you've really been enjoying the cigar. It tends to change the flavor a bit.

That's only one component of many and it's not a very accurate indicator of quantity, but just a general indicator of it's presence, and only then if you get the proper flame kernel color for ammonia burnoff - you could be burning off one of the many other compounds present, hence why you get multicolor flames.

theonlybear4CORT · 03-28-2010, 08:46 PM

I thought it was tar that made the flame light up.

T.G · 03-28-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic_mike

I thought it was tar that made the flame light up.

Tar is most definitely one of the components that is being burned off/causes the effect. While tar is not the only component being burned off, I would venture to guess that tar is probably the primary component though.

Chris. · 03-28-2010, 10:17 PM

really? tar being higher on the list of combustibles in the cigar than ammonia? I dunno man. I've purged cigars before and hit the torch to it and not gotten flames. and I mean this would be the first time purging a cigar halfway through or so. I usually dont purge unless the ammo 'flavor' gets too strong...

T.G · 03-28-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris.

really? tar being higher on the list of combustibles in the cigar than ammonia? I dunno man. I've purged cigars before and hit the torch to it and not gotten flames. and I mean this would be the first time purging a cigar halfway through or so. I usually dont purge unless the ammo 'flavor' gets too strong...

And where exactly is all this of ammonia hiding, Chris?

It ain't liquid, it sure as hell isn't solid, so where, oh where, is this "massive quantity" of ammonia GAS you claim is in the cigar hiding?

Chris. · 03-29-2010, 07:23 AM

I didn't say it was a massive quantity, but it sure is going to travel to the foot of the cigar quicker than TAR. You and everyone knows that ammonia is present in cigars as a part of aging and fermentation. I think you need to calm down a bit Adam.

pnoon · 03-29-2010, 07:30 AM

Take it offline, fellas. This is supposed to be place to answer questions - not a display for your bickering.

T.G · 03-29-2010, 08:03 AM

Not bickering Peter, just trying to make Chris think about part of the answer a bit for himself before I spell it out.

The ammonia is present in the leaf, as you note, I've always said it is a component, and during combustion, it comes out at a rate proportional with that of the burn rate of the cigar. But it doesn't pocket or collect as you smoke the cigar. The most that could happen is that a small amount could be re-absorbed into the leaf as you draw through the cigar, but once absorbed, you won't be able to "blow it out of the cigar". If this were the case, you could take an under fermented ammonia laden cigar and blow through it a few times and there would magically be no ammonia.

Now, tar and some of the other impurities, on the other hand, are a semi-solid sludge that comes out as the leaf is heated, prior to combustion, and it doesn't really go away but does collect just forward of the heat source (you can't really see it on a tobacco leaf without magnification, but light one end of a 2x4 and observe the area just forward of the flame and you can get an approximation of what is going on). Thing is, it's pooling on a porous surface - so as moves up the leaf, it builds up and leaves deposits - by blowing back through the cigar and the application of flame to the foot, you are forcing this sludge into the fire to be burned off.

pnoon · 03-29-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris.

I think you need to calm down a bit Adam.

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Originally Posted by T.G

just trying to make Chris think about part of the answer a bit for himself before I spell it out.

At the very least, take it to another thread. The question was asked and answered quite a few posts back.

Chris. · 03-29-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris.

really? tar being higher on the list of combustibles in the cigar than ammonia? I dunno man. I've purged cigars before and hit the torch to it and not gotten flames. and I mean this would be the first time purging a cigar halfway through or so. I usually dont purge unless the ammo 'flavor' gets too strong...

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Originally Posted by T.G

Not bickering Peter, just trying to make Chris think about part of the answer a bit for himself before I spell it out.

The ammonia is present in the leaf, as you note, I've always said it is a component, and during combustion, it comes out at a rate proportional with that of the burn rate of the cigar. But it doesn't pocket or collect as you smoke the cigar. The most that could happen is that a small amount could be re-absorbed into the leaf as you draw through the cigar, but once absorbed, you won't be able to "blow it out of the cigar". If this were the case, you could take an under fermented ammonia laden cigar and blow through it a few times and there would magically be no ammonia.

Now, tar and some of the other impurities, on the other hand, are a semi-solid sludge that comes out as the leaf is heated, prior to combustion, and it doesn't really go away but does collect just forward of the heat source (you can't really see it on a tobacco leaf without magnification, but light one end of a 2x4 and observe the area just forward of the flame and you can get an approximation of what is going on). Thing is, it's pooling on a porous surface - so as moves up the leaf, it builds up and leaves deposits - by blowing back through the cigar and the application of flame to the foot, you are forcing this sludge into the fire to be burned off.

That was the kind of answer I was hoping for when I posted that. Thank you.

03-27-2010, 08:26 PM	#582
colinb913 Workin' at a Cigar Shop Join Date: Feb 2010 First Name: Colin Location: Indiana Posts: 540 Trading: (1)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Well, it pains me to say that I have a newb question so here goes.. When you guys purge, how hard do you ahem blow?.. I see pictures of flames at the end of the cigar, I never get that. Just lots and lots of smoke. Once I ahem blew so hard that the ash fell off, but that hasn't happened since.. So how hard does one have to exhale aha! to purge?

03-27-2010, 08:29 PM	#583
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) You hold a lighters flame to the end of the cigar then blow. You can't get a flame by just blowing through the cigar alone. Then, keep blowing till the flame dies. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

03-27-2010, 08:35 PM	#584
colinb913 Workin' at a Cigar Shop Join Date: Feb 2010 First Name: Colin Location: Indiana Posts: 540 Trading: (1)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Ohh! That makes sense now...

03-28-2010, 01:19 PM	#587
Rabidsquirrel Moderately Confused Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pennsylvania, US Posts: 576 Trading: (5)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Don't try it on a windy day with a particularly short cigar. 'Nuff said.

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Wolfgang Back from the dead Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 2,541 Trading: (14)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Which end do I light? __________________ You probably wont remember that test you failed, but you'll never forget the girl you were with the night before, when you decided not to study.

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theonlybear4CORT RIP Nick Montano Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Santa Rosa Posts: 2,040 Trading: (14)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I thought it was tar that made the flame light up.

03-28-2010, 10:17 PM	#594
Chris. PSHC! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,842 Trading: (25)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) really? tar being higher on the list of combustibles in the cigar than ammonia? I dunno man. I've purged cigars before and hit the torch to it and not gotten flames. and I mean this would be the first time purging a cigar halfway through or so. I usually dont purge unless the ammo 'flavor' gets too strong... __________________

03-29-2010, 07:23 AM	#596
Chris. PSHC! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,842 Trading: (25)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I didn't say it was a massive quantity, but it sure is going to travel to the foot of the cigar quicker than TAR. You and everyone knows that ammonia is present in cigars as a part of aging and fermentation. I think you need to calm down a bit Adam. __________________

03-29-2010, 07:30 AM	#597
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Take it offline, fellas. This is supposed to be place to answer questions - not a display for your bickering. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

03-29-2010, 08:03 AM	#598
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Not bickering Peter, just trying to make Chris think about part of the answer a bit for himself before I spell it out. The ammonia is present in the leaf, as you note, I've always said it is a component, and during combustion, it comes out at a rate proportional with that of the burn rate of the cigar. But it doesn't pocket or collect as you smoke the cigar. The most that could happen is that a small amount could be re-absorbed into the leaf as you draw through the cigar, but once absorbed, you won't be able to "blow it out of the cigar". If this were the case, you could take an under fermented ammonia laden cigar and blow through it a few times and there would magically be no ammonia. Now, tar and some of the other impurities, on the other hand, are a semi-solid sludge that comes out as the leaf is heated, prior to combustion, and it doesn't really go away but does collect just forward of the heat source (you can't really see it on a tobacco leaf without magnification, but light one end of a 2x4 and observe the area just forward of the flame and you can get an approximation of what is going on). Thing is, it's pooling on a porous surface - so as moves up the leaf, it builds up and leaves deposits - by blowing back through the cigar and the application of flame to the foot, you are forcing this sludge into the fire to be burned off. Last edited by T.G; 03-29-2010 at 08:10 AM.