The Official 2012 NFL Draft Talk Thread

[JenksAnejo]

I wouldn't exactly call 4-5 years for $5 million a year a high price on a WR. Wallace is the real deal but will eventually someone will have to pay him near $10 million a year to sign him long term. We will see how Blackmon does in the NFL; I have doubted him his whole career at OSU and he continued to prove me wrong.

[JenksAnejo]

Matt Kalil is the best OT prospect to come out since Jake Long.

Absolutely, no doubt about it! If the Rams don't trade out of the #2 spot they better draft Kalil. The dude has pro-bowler written all over him!

[OLS]

I am using the word "high-priced" like I did "waiver-wire", not literally. I am only saying that I would take Wallace in
a second over Blackmon, and if the price was equally hard to swallow on both of them, I'd rather have Wallace.

[OLS]

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

The dude has pro-bowler written all over him!

haha, I thought you meant Professional Bowler there for a second.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by OLS

I know one thing Scott, Bringing in Mike Wallace would light up Colt McCoy. He is sho nuf the real deal. I would take him
over a high-price on Blackmon. Many would not.

Mike Wallace is a burner. Colt McCoy makes Chad Pennington look like John Elway. I don't see the connection...

[JenksAnejo]

I am using the word "high-priced" like I did "waiver-wire", not literally. I am only saying that I would take Wallace in
a second over Blackmon, and if the price was equally hard to swallow on both of them, I'd rather have Wallace.

You and me both brother! Wallace is a stud and can stretch the field. Blackmon reminds me of a slower Terrell Owens.


(Unless he comes out and runs a 4.4 on his pro day which I don't see happening)

[mkarnold1]

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

Absolutely, no doubt about it! If the Rams don't trade out of the #2 spot they better draft Kalil. The dude has pro-bowler written all over him!

The Vikes need to take this Kalil kid at 3. With a talent like him at left tackle they can move Charlie Johnson to left guard, a position that he's actually very good at, and kill 2 birds with one stone.

[OLS]

The connection Stephen, is that everyone is hollering about McCoy being crap. Maybe if he had Wallace,
he would look like Peyton Manning........duh.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by OLS

The connection Stephen, is that everyone is hollering about McCoy being crap. Maybe if he had Wallace,
he would look like Peyton Manning........duh.

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, Brad. Wallace's game doesn't play to McCoy's strengths at all.

[JenksAnejo]

Another prospect who bleeds pro-bowl talent is David DeCastro from Stanford. I've never seen two can't miss offensive line prospects like this in the same draft. I have also never seen an offensive guard projected to go in the top 15 before either.

[shilala]

But Wallace's game stretches the field and buys McCoy some time to breath and become an NFL quarterback. That's a long stretch, and I don't think McCoy's arm chases down Wallace, but Ben ain't no Aaron Rodgers, and Wallace made him look like a real quarterback.
I can see where Brad is coming from, at the very least. And I really don't think McCoy will flesh out that bad. He's only had one year in the lights, and not even a full year. I'd certainly take him in front of Seneca Wallace.
He's a good kid, good athlete, and very coachable. If he's working his ass off this offseason, I think he moves up a few rungs and becomes a mid-level qb if he has something to throw to. Wallace would be that, not necessarily the target, but he'd get Little, Massaquoi and Cribbs open.
I think, if Massaquoi wanted to play over the middle and had the gumption or balls to do it, he'd excel. The last few years he's just been a turd in the punch bowl. I think Wallace would change that, or at least have some impact.

[shilala]

If only Kalil could possibly end up in Burgh. He's instant 10 years of pro-bowl. If he's still around at #4, he'd be huge for Cleveland. Add him to the Wallace argument and things are looking way up.

I think the best we can do is Cordy Glenn. I don't even know where we draft, I haven't looked. I don't start getting frustrated with my Steelers till camp. I think I'll keep it that way.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

But Wallace's game stretches the field and buys McCoy some time to breath and become an NFL quarterback. That's a long stretch, and I don't think McCoy's arm chases down Wallace, but Ben ain't no Aaron Rodgers, and Wallace made him look like a real quarterback.
I can see where Brad is coming from, at the very least. And I really don't think McCoy will flesh out that bad. He's only had one year in the lights, and not even a full year. I'd certainly take him in front of Seneca Wallace.
He's a good kid, good athlete, and very coachable. If he's working his ass off this offseason, I think he moves up a few rungs and becomes a mid-level qb if he has something to throw to. Wallace would be that, not necessarily the target, but he'd get Little, Massaquoi and Cribbs open.
I think, if Massaquoi wanted to play over the middle and had the gumption or balls to do it, he'd excel. The last few years he's just been a turd in the punch bowl. I think Wallace would change that, or at least have some impact.

There's never been a question about Roethlisberger's arm, which is what I'm talking about. Why would teams have to respect Wallace deep if defenses know that McCoy isn't a threat to get him the ball anyways? He's not a franchise quarterback, and in today's NFL teams simply can't win (consistently) without one. In short, if you don't have one, you best be looking for one.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Stephen

There's never been a question about Roethlisberger's arm, which is what I'm talking about. Why would teams have to respect Wallace deep if defenses know that McCoy isn't a threat to get him the ball anyways? He's not a franchise quarterback, and in today's NFL teams simply can't win (consistently) without one. In short, if you don't have one, you best be looking for one.

I'm forced to suffer through a lot of Cleveland football being that I'm in Cleveland and two of the brother-in-laws are fans. Plus it used to be fun to watch them lose.
That said, I think Colt's shortcomings aren't so much physical, they're mental. He's scared to death, and rightfully so. It's tough for any qb to to get splattered relentlessly. It'll ruin a young qb.
The boy can sling the ball. He seldom has opportunity to show that ability because he's backing up all the time, and he's developed that "throw off the front foot while I'm backing up" thing that doesn't work.
He almost never has a receiver open because they don't have a guy fast enough to open the field up. They can't even open up a little 10-yard out move, or a short timing pass because both teams are always playing on a 20 yard field when the Browns have the ball. They simply have no way to stretch the field and cannot get a wr open.
Wallace changes that immediately.

[JenksAnejo]

I think the best we can do is Cordy Glenn. I don't even know where we draft, I haven't looked. I don't start getting frustrated with my Steelers till camp. I think I'll keep it that way.

Perhaps Jonathan Martin will fall to the Steelers. He was once projected to be a top 15 pick until Riley Rieff came along. Cordy Glenn would be huge for the Steelers. He can play tackle or guard; I think the Steelers pick around # 26.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

Perhaps Jonathan Martin will fall to the Steelers. He was once projected to be a top 15 pick until Riley Rieff came along. Cordy Glenn would be huge for the Steelers. He can play tackle or guard; I think the Steelers pick around # 26.

It doesn't look like they can get Glenn, he's expected to go around 23rd. Unless, of course, they get something for Wallace. But last I heard they intend to keep Wallace and Ben even restructured his contract so they could do so.
Which makes all this Wallace talk moot, but it's fun.

[JenksAnejo]

Yeah, Cincinatti will snag him with one of their picks.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

I'm forced to suffer through a lot of Cleveland football being that I'm in Cleveland and two of the brother-in-laws are fans. Plus it used to be fun to watch them lose.
That said, I think Colt's shortcomings aren't so much physical, they're mental. He's scared to death, and rightfully so. It's tough for any qb to to get splattered relentlessly. It'll ruin a young qb.
The boy can sling the ball. He seldom has opportunity to show that ability because he's backing up all the time, and he's developed that "throw off the front foot while I'm backing up" thing that doesn't work.
He almost never has a receiver open because they don't have a guy fast enough to open the field up. They can't even open up a little 10-yard out move, or a short timing pass because both teams are always playing on a 20 yard field when the Browns have the ball. They simply have no way to stretch the field and cannot get a wr open.
Wallace changes that immediately.

Eh, I watched him for four years at Texas. In the end, he compounded a lot of stats in a league that's forgotten how to play defense.

The Browns aren't giving him a lot to work with, to be sure, but getting a deep threat doesn't change the fact that McCoy has a noodle for an arm that defenses aren't going to have to respect.

[JenksAnejo]

I have to agree with Stephen. Colt McCoy is not an NFL QB; I was shocked when he was drafted in the 2nd/3rd round. The Big XII's defense are weak as hell in a leauge full of teams that only run the spread.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by JenksAnejo

I have to agree with Stephen. Colt McCoy is not an NFL QB; I was shocked when he was drafted in the 2nd/3rd round. The Big XII's defense are weak as hell in a leauge full of teams that only run the spread.

Went in the bottom of the third of the 2010 draft. Which makes me wonder; how many quarterbacks were three/four year starters at major college programs and were drafted as low as McCoy went on to have any kind of success in the NFL. Joe Montana and...?