Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? - Page 3

replicant_argent · 04-20-2011, 07:56 AM

Just like China has improved.

DBall · 04-20-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill86

I'm hoping the embargo doesn't get lifted, people forget about the HUGE price increase it would cause.

Not only that, but fakes would be even MORE rampant... there's a lot of crap cigars sitting on shelves that, with the help of a few bands and a box, would fly off shelves at huge markups from unscrupulous shops preying on the "unwashed masses".

04-20-2011, 08:22 AM

My take: Embargo ends...demand skyrockets ("CCs are the bestest thing out there")...price goes up as availability goes down of real CCs (due to all the people saying "CCs are the bestest" buying them all)...as availability drops, fakes skyrocket...sheeple saying "CCs are the bestest" continue to buy them, being influenced by the fact that "CCs are the bestest"...those of us who may know a little more about CCs get screwed because the country won't be able to keep up with demand (and what happens if there's another bad hurricane season?).

There are a LOT of people out there that think any CC is an awesome stick. They will buy what they can and smoke them before they are ready, or when they are "sick". But they will STILL say they're the best thing out there, because that's what they've been told for YEARS, and it simply "must be true". There are a lot of people who smoke crappy cigars and say they're great. Personally, my taste is more specific, but I can see a lot of people going for Cohibas and Montes if/when the embargo is finally lifted. Those are the most well known brands out of Cuba, IMO. But of the ones I may or may not have been given that originate from that country, I'd think that some of the lesser known brands like Cuaba, and some of the "non-American" type cigars (i.e. smaller and smaller ring gauge, like Partagas Shorts) would be less sought after.

As for what an end to the embargo would mena for the people of the island, I think it COULD be huge (not that it WOULD be, but COULD be). There would have to be a major shift in the wealth structure of the country. Private enterprise would have to be reinstated. If that did happen, I can see some major US tourism $ going there. The big hotel chains would probably swoop in and try to buy up the prime property and build monstrous hotels. What I'd love to see is some of the old school places bought and returned to their former glory. Some of the classic places that you read about from the 40s and 50s. An influx of US tourism dollars would be HUGE for the country, as it would become THE place to go if all that happened. I know I'd love to visit the country at some point in my life.

This is just my

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mosesbotbol · 04-20-2011, 08:37 AM

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.

04-20-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.

Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.

mosesbotbol · 04-20-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanger

Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.

I wouldn't say "obviously not" considering the posts in this thread.

Skywalker · 04-20-2011, 08:56 AM

Could mean Castro has less than a week to live???

04-20-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I wouldn't say "obviously not" considering the posts in this thread.

I understand what you're saying, but to me personally, that's a given. We hear what it's like there, about all the corruption and the horrible conditions that the people there have to live with, but very few of us have actually been there, or can actually go there right now and say that they've seen it. Make sense?

Stephen · 04-20-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom.

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Originally Posted by Wanger

Obviously not, but this is a cigar board, so the predominant discussion will be about what brought us all here...cigars.

There are far worse plights befalling the peoples of countries other than Cuba. It's not that their welfare isn't in our thoughts, but that this board isn't operated to have those discussions here.

hotreds · 04-20-2011, 09:09 AM

OP: Nada.

poker · 04-20-2011, 09:16 AM

Cuba is moving all their tobacco manufacturing over to Taiwan

replicant_argent · 04-20-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Cuba is moving all their tobacco manufacturing over to Taiwan

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

T.G · 04-20-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

No chicken wing shakes?

04-20-2011, 09:39 AM

IMHO:Too many people alive that know what happened in the revolution there for the embargo to just end.

When it does, I will probably not smoke any CC that I didn't have before the ending. For a few years, maybe ten, for the previously commented fakes/trash reasons.

There would need to be an effort put forward by the Cuban regime to negotiate with the US. Watch for signs of that. Castro, so far, has steadfastly refused.

I love chili.
And jambalaya.

replicant_argent · 04-20-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G

No chicken wing shakes?

Well, aren't you posh.

You have to make sure they aren't substituting fakes like Tofurkey.

poker · 04-20-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

On that day, I shall celebrate with a dirty water hotdog juice martini.

Start mixing!

markem · 04-20-2011, 09:52 AM

So does this mean that we are going to start a "TC forum" for cigars from the other, other island? Will MRN write another book and include Pacific growing regions? Inquiring minds and all that, you know.

hotreds · 04-20-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Start mixing!

Get the "N" outta there, and it'll look great! Altho in this day and age I'd say "Hecho en China." Taiwan is too first world.

mosesbotbol · 04-20-2011, 10:20 AM

Cuba should already have agreements on exclusive distributors for USA they’ll mandate higher wholesale pricing. They should rape the USA market while making a high margin. US Government will crack down on grey market cigars coming into USA like they have been with cigarette tax stamp evasion. Legal Cuban cigars will be the super expensive than when the embargo if you like Internet prices. Cigar will be stopped at the border like they are in Canada.

Be careful what you wish for…

As an aside. Within 10 years, expect all tobacco to cost at least 50-100% more than it is now with huge restrictions on where one can smoke.

04-20-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

start mixing! :d

lmao!!!

04-20-2011, 07:56 AM	#41
replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? Just like China has improved. __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

04-20-2011, 08:22 AM	#43
Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? My take: Embargo ends...demand skyrockets ("CCs are the bestest thing out there")...price goes up as availability goes down of real CCs (due to all the people saying "CCs are the bestest" buying them all)...as availability drops, fakes skyrocket...sheeple saying "CCs are the bestest" continue to buy them, being influenced by the fact that "CCs are the bestest"...those of us who may know a little more about CCs get screwed because the country won't be able to keep up with demand (and what happens if there's another bad hurricane season?). There are a LOT of people out there that think any CC is an awesome stick. They will buy what they can and smoke them before they are ready, or when they are "sick". But they will STILL say they're the best thing out there, because that's what they've been told for YEARS, and it simply "must be true". There are a lot of people who smoke crappy cigars and say they're great. Personally, my taste is more specific, but I can see a lot of people going for Cohibas and Montes if/when the embargo is finally lifted. Those are the most well known brands out of Cuba, IMO. But of the ones I may or may not have been given that originate from that country, I'd think that some of the lesser known brands like Cuaba, and some of the "non-American" type cigars (i.e. smaller and smaller ring gauge, like Partagas Shorts) would be less sought after. As for what an end to the embargo would mena for the people of the island, I think it COULD be huge (not that it WOULD be, but COULD be). There would have to be a major shift in the wealth structure of the country. Private enterprise would have to be reinstated. If that did happen, I can see some major US tourism $ going there. The big hotel chains would probably swoop in and try to buy up the prime property and build monstrous hotels. What I'd love to see is some of the old school places bought and returned to their former glory. Some of the classic places that you read about from the 40s and 50s. An influx of US tourism dollars would be HUGE for the country, as it would become THE place to go if all that happened. I know I'd love to visit the country at some point in my life. This is just my .

04-20-2011, 08:37 AM	#44
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? Wow, is whether cigars are going to more expensive is all that you guys care about in Cuba? There's suffering and inhumanity that is more important to me than any cigar. As much as Cuba has achieved, it has come at dear to cost to many. Hopefully, Cuba will find a happy balance of ideology along with self determination and freedom. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

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04-20-2011, 09:09 AM	#50
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04-20-2011, 09:16 AM	#51
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04-20-2011, 09:39 AM	#54
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? IMHO:Too many people alive that know what happened in the revolution there for the embargo to just end. When it does, I will probably not smoke any CC that I didn't have before the ending. For a few years, maybe ten, for the previously commented fakes/trash reasons. There would need to be an effort put forward by the Cuban regime to negotiate with the US. Watch for signs of that. Castro, so far, has steadfastly refused. I love chili. And jambalaya.

04-20-2011, 09:52 AM	#57
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,622 Trading: (47)	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? So does this mean that we are going to start a "TC forum" for cigars from the other, other island? Will MRN write another book and include Pacific growing regions? Inquiring minds and all that, you know. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

04-20-2011, 10:20 AM	#59
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Castro Resigns ?? What Could This Mean? Cuba should already have agreements on exclusive distributors for USA they’ll mandate higher wholesale pricing. They should rape the USA market while making a high margin. US Government will crack down on grey market cigars coming into USA like they have been with cigarette tax stamp evasion. Legal Cuban cigars will be the super expensive than when the embargo if you like Internet prices. Cigar will be stopped at the border like they are in Canada. Be careful what you wish for… As an aside. Within 10 years, expect all tobacco to cost at least 50-100% more than it is now with huge restrictions on where one can smoke. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's