Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? - Page 3

Kreth · 05-05-2010, 06:38 AM

When is Legend gonna weigh in on this thread?

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neoflex · 05-05-2010, 06:48 AM

As far as the Rocky thing, For a while now I have been saying if Rocky comes out with something you like , snatch up as many boxes as you can as it is likely that the next time you grab another box it may or may not taste the same. This has just been my experience so take it for what its worth. As far as the online retailer thing. I have only experienced inconsistencies with the Joe Cigar deals.

lightning9191 · 05-05-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

When is Legend gonna weigh in on this thread?

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You have to say his name three times in a row

lightning9191 · 05-05-2010, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by naamanf

I have sent them a customer service email, but I am still waiting for a reply.

If you have the opportunity, give them a phone call. It will pry get sorted out a lot quicker.

05-05-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bax

So are you saying there might be a slight possibility that there are 2 types of cigars? 1 for B&M's and 1 for online retailers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I think the answer is simple. It's the manufacturer that is sneaking in lesser quallity stock into the larger internet retailers orders. Every producer has stock that is just barely under standard. Throw them away or sneak them in a big order? CI will not open every box for sale like a B&M would. By the time the poorer sticks are discovered they're in a third persons hands and much less likely to get returned. It's all about profit margins.

So in short, blame the manufacturer.

I'm not saying there are sticks for B&Ms and different sticks for online retailers. What I'm saying is that "some" of the big online retailers are knowingly buying the lesser quality stock, so that they can sell it cheap on their daily/weekly special or auctions. If it were happening on occasion, I would believe that it is just the mfg being sneaky, but it is happening across multiple mfgs. I will go it a step further and say that if you purchase a box at full price (ie not the daily/weekly special or auction) from these retailers, you get a different quality. Have you noticed that there are no seconds for sale from a lot of mfgs? There has to be a certain amount of production that is off color, underfilled, improperly blended, etc. What happens to those?

T.G · 05-05-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by newlifetaxidermy

I'm not saying there are sticks for B&Ms and different sticks for online retailers. What I'm saying is that "some" of the big online retailers are knowingly buying the lesser quality stock, so that they can sell it cheap on their daily/weekly special or auctions. If it were happening on occasion, I would believe that it is just the mfg being sneaky, but it is happening across multiple mfgs. I will go it a step further and say that if you purchase a box at full price (ie not the daily/weekly special or auction) from these retailers, you get a different quality. Have you noticed that there are no seconds for sale from a lot of mfgs? There has to be a certain amount of production that is off color, underfilled, improperly blended, etc. What happens to those?

They sell them to online vendors at a deep discount and mark the boxes with a sticker that says "Hold for James in North Carolina or Tripp in Oregon"

05-05-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G

They sell them to online vendors at a deep discount and mark the boxes with a sticker that says "Hold for James in North Carolina or Tripp in Oregon"

You might be on to something...

Ogre · 05-05-2010, 11:08 AM

Its a conspiracy. Lets test to make sure. Send me one or more of said sticks and I will compare them to the real things. LOL.

Now on a serious side, I am watching this to see if that is what is going on. I have received an order from CI without question. I have a current Cbid order being shipped. I will post on the quality when I receive it.

Tuxguy · 05-05-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dannysguitar

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what he says when confronted with this...

I will ask him tonight. He is coming for an event.

T.G · 05-05-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuxguy

I will ask him tonight. He is coming for an event.

Make sure you take one of these with you for when you get the answer:

OLS · 05-05-2010, 01:34 PM

Hate to say this again if someone already has, but it is not uncommon in the industry today to
spray tobacco with tobacco juice and squeezins to get that consistent look of Maduro for that
which a precedent may have already been set. Maduro launch cigars may be one color, and the
next harvest's materials might not allow for the same color match, and the tobacco could be
sprayed. And it WILL come off on your fingers and lips. Per-DOH-mo cigars first real luxury line
was like this. The had a cigar called X that was a square pressed torpedo and at FIRST they
were great cigars. Then as time went by they just started SUCKING A$$. They were all treated
wrappers on the maduros. This is not the same as dying wrappers, but it IS really in the end. But
there is a great chance that the vendor has nothing to do with it.

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"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

T.G · 05-05-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS

Hate to say this again if someone already has, but it is not uncommon in the industry today to
spray tobacco with tobacco juice and squeezins to get that consistent look of Maduro for that
which a precedent may have already been set. Maduro launch cigars may be one color, and the
next harvest's materials might not allow for the same color match, and the tobacco could be
sprayed. And it WILL come off on your fingers and lips. Per-DOH-mo cigars first real luxury line
was like this. The had a cigar called X that was a square pressed torpedo and at FIRST they
were great cigars. Then as time went by they just started SUCKING A$$. They were all treated
wrappers on the maduros. This is not the same as dying wrappers, but it IS really in the end. But
there is a great chance that the vendor has nothing to do with it.

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"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

Thanks Brad. I've gotten so sick of arguing what you just said with people that I don't even bother to mention it anymore.

I think the last time I mentioned it (on another forum) it went 140 someodd posts with people arguing back and forth over it. Everything from cheating to unnatural to trying to explain the differnces and why and if only people realized how many manufacturers did this, they'd probably change their tune or stop smoking maduros alltogether.

05-05-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS

"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

heh Could have put that better.

Smokin Gator · 05-05-2010, 04:59 PM

I only buy two things from cBid anymore... DPG Blue Exquisitos and 1977 Blacks. I have never had a problem. I know that doesn't add much to the discussion other than what it is.

Ogre · 05-05-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Thanks Brad. I've gotten so sick of arguing what you just said with people that I don't even bother to mention it anymore.

I think the last time I mentioned it (on another forum) it went 140 someodd posts with people arguing back and forth over it. Everything from cheating to unnatural to trying to explain the differnces and why and if only people realized how many manufacturers did this, they'd probably change their tune or stop smoking maduros alltogether.

, maybe people will stop smoking maduros and the price will come down for those of us that dont mind. Guess thats asking to much.

naamanf · 05-05-2010, 10:14 PM

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Thank you for choosing Cigars International! I am very sorry to hear that you were not happy with your last shipment. I can gladly set up a exchange or return for you. Please let me advise you that we do not dye cigars sometimes the tobacco can react to a wrapper. I can assure you as well these are not seconds.

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

I think that they might purchase runs of cigars the manufacturer wants to get rid of. I have some of the AB Tempus Quadrums from CI that AB doesn't show as a size they produce in the Tempus line, and doesn't taste/burn like the ones I have had from a B&M.

akumushi · 05-05-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by naamanf

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

I think that they might purchase runs of cigars the manufacturer wants to get rid of. I have some of the AB Tempus Quadrums from CI that AB doesn't show as a size they produce in the Tempus line, and doesn't taste/burn like the ones I have had from a B&M.

And then they call it a CI Exclusive,

T.G · 05-06-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by naamanf

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

It was a poorly written response and you are reading too much into it.

CI is just a vendor. Somehow, I don't picture Steve and Keith in the back of the warehouse with paint brushes and cans of minwax giggling "heh. let's see if he likes american walnut poly."

OLS · 05-06-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnCA

heh Could have put that better.

Yes, but when you thought "I won't DIGNIFY Acids with a mention", you did the right thing. And who knows
Zino cigars anymore? I think they still sell em.

OLS · 05-06-2010, 09:58 AM

And look at Lew R0thman. He often states right out in the open, "I bought the entire stock of
cigars that were being stored in the aging rooms at the factory. I have no idea what these cigars
were going to be sold as, but I am passing the savings on to you. They could be 18 dollar cigars
or they could be crap."
I would trace any problems with the cigars straight to the manufacturer. Only they know what
is actually happening. COULD be some wink-nod business going on, but who's fault is it at the
heart of it? That's right, the manufacturer. Also one should not rule out the humidity factor. Wet cigars
taste nothing like properly humidified and ready to smoke cigars. Not saying this has anything to do
with long term taste probs, but there you go.

05-05-2010, 06:38 AM	#41
Kreth Ronin smoker Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Oneonta, NY Posts: 3,620 Trading: (14)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? When is Legend gonna weigh in on this thread? Posted via Mobile Device

05-05-2010, 06:48 AM	#42
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? As far as the Rocky thing, For a while now I have been saying if Rocky comes out with something you like , snatch up as many boxes as you can as it is likely that the next time you grab another box it may or may not taste the same. This has just been my experience so take it for what its worth. As far as the online retailer thing. I have only experienced inconsistencies with the Joe Cigar deals. __________________

05-05-2010, 11:08 AM	#48
Ogre **CENSORED** Join Date: Apr 2010 First Name: Larry Location: Central Florida Posts: 12,068 Trading: (46)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Its a conspiracy. Lets test to make sure. Send me one or more of said sticks and I will compare them to the real things. LOL. Now on a serious side, I am watching this to see if that is what is going on. I have received an order from CI without question. I have a current Cbid order being shipped. I will post on the quality when I receive it.

05-05-2010, 01:34 PM	#51
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? Hate to say this again if someone already has, but it is not uncommon in the industry today to spray tobacco with tobacco juice and squeezins to get that consistent look of Maduro for that which a precedent may have already been set. Maduro launch cigars may be one color, and the next harvest's materials might not allow for the same color match, and the tobacco could be sprayed. And it WILL come off on your fingers and lips. Per-DOH-mo cigars first real luxury line was like this. The had a cigar called X that was a square pressed torpedo and at FIRST they were great cigars. Then as time went by they just started SUCKING A$$. They were all treated wrappers on the maduros. This is not the same as dying wrappers, but it IS really in the end. But there is a great chance that the vendor has nothing to do with it. -------------------------------- *"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates"* Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL. Last edited by OLS; 05-05-2010 at 01:39 PM.

05-05-2010, 04:59 PM	#54
Smokin Gator Just plain insane! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Swamp Posts: 6,237 Trading: (106)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? I only buy two things from cBid anymore... DPG Blue Exquisitos and 1977 Blacks. I have never had a problem. I know that doesn't add much to the discussion other than what it is. __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade

05-06-2010, 09:58 AM	#60
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Joe Cigar Selling Seconds? And look at Lew R0thman. He often states right out in the open, "I bought the entire stock of cigars that were being stored in the aging rooms at the factory. I have no idea what these cigars were going to be sold as, but I am passing the savings on to you. They could be 18 dollar cigars or they could be crap." I would trace any problems with the cigars straight to the manufacturer. Only they know what is actually happening. COULD be some wink-nod business going on, but who's fault is it at the heart of it? That's right, the manufacturer. Also one should not rule out the humidity factor. Wet cigars taste nothing like properly humidified and ready to smoke cigars. Not saying this has anything to do with long term taste probs, but there you go.