Tat Drac: Shipping Date

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by poriggity

I read it as he is selling 1 STICK of each to anyone that buys a box of another tatuaje product. Yet another reason I am leaving all tatuaje products for everyone else from now on. Lots of other great smokes out there that I don't have to fight for.

If that's true, that's about the most obscene way of trying them out that I've heard.. Buy a whole box to be ABLE to buy a stick? egads

[poriggity]

I don't know if its true, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are other retailers doing the same thing. This is one of the main reasons I am swearing off tatuaje's. I don't care how good they are. Any retailers that force you to buy other boxes of tatuaje products for the chance to buy dracs... They lost my business. New Havana lost my business for the way they held the scavenger hunt and pulled boxes OUT of people's carts WHILE they were in the midst of checking out... I've got a list going of retailers I now refuse to shop at.
.. I am probably over reacting, but so be it.
Scott

[KDKLOSS]

Originally Posted by poriggity

I don't know if its true, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are other retailers doing the same thing. This is one of the main reasons I am swearing off tatuaje's. I don't care how good they are. Any retailers that force you to buy other boxes of tatuaje products for the chance to buy dracs... They lost my business. New Havana lost my business for the way they held the scavenger hunt and pulled boxes OUT of people's carts WHILE they were in the midst of checking out... I've got a list going of retailers I now refuse to shop at.
.. I am probably over reacting, but so be it.
Scott

I don't blame Pete Johnson or Tatuaje I blame the retailers. I'm sure Pete never told any retailer to rip off their customers by making the customer buy a whole box of Tats just to be able to buy one single Drac or Boris stick. Pete made cigars and shipped them to retailers. From there he has no control over how they are sold. My local retailer did the honorable thing by selling 3 of each the Drac and Boris per customer on a first come first serve basis and I have not heard one complaint about them yet. Unfortunatly some of these retailers must have been used car salesmen in other lives because they handled this whole situation poorly. Personally I'd write off these retailers before I'd write off the cigars. I can buy the same cigars I like from different places without having to set foot in the door of this creaps shop. And to top it off he used his first post on the board to wine and try to gain sympathy or to justify his actions. Hey I don't have many posts on here but I can sleep at night knowing I'm not ripping people off. If he thinks for a minute we would ever believe that he would be stuck with the Dracs or Boris he's lying to himself and quite franky it's insulting. My suggestion to him would be to close up shop if he feels it's ok to treat his customers that way.

[Starz26]

Originally Posted by poriggity

New Havana lost my business for the way they held the scavenger hunt and pulled boxes OUT of people's carts WHILE they were in the midst of checking out...

For the record NHC did not PULL THEM OUT of the carts. The goal of the hunt was to randomly place them within other Tat products. Inventory of 1 box at a time. It would appear for a minute or so and then dissapear and reappear somewhere else.

The site has real time inventory. What happened is people posted the link to the product thus bypassing the need to Hunt for it. The allowed many people to get them at the same time. the real time inventory took over and ensured that you did not place and order for something that was not available.

The idea for this hunt gave everyone a fair shot and was supposed to make it fun. Of all the ideas that are out there with the current release, I think this was the most creative. I give Dan props for that. Also, one he realized what was going on he took steps to fix it by changing the product code so that you could not just refresh your screen.

So before you go spreading bad blood toward a retailer that has a great reputation, please think a little about what may be going on. Dan and Pete both had the best interests in mind. The fast moving resources of the internet forums took over and botched the execution.

[poriggity]

So I worded it wrong. Still seems like a seriously botched up execution of the scavenger hunt. Answer me this, If you were waiting in the checkout line at the grocery store, with the last case of beer they had in your hands, and someone walked up to you while you were in line, took the beer you were holding, and bought it, then left... How would you feel? IMHO, If the box was IN your cart, and you were proceeding to check out, there should have been NO way for that customer to lose a box. Just my personal opinion. IMHO, Dan also should have known that he would need to change the product code, in order to keep the links from working for EVERYONE. Its only common sense that the internet cigar smokers will share those links.
Scott

EDIT:
I am sure Dan and Pete are both good people. I have met Pete, and can say he is a good guy. That being said, the way the scavenger hunt was executed was poor form. Again, this is just my opinion, and my opinion only. That being said, it is also my perogotive to shop where I choose, and based upon my own decisions, I have chosen to not buy from NHC, and probably won't buy tatuaje products either. Again these are all my own personal decisions, and while I know they won't make a difference to Pete or Dan, its just my convictions.

Originally Posted by Starz26

For the record NHC did not PULL THEM OUT of the carts. The goal of the hunt was to randomly place them within other Tat products. Inventory of 1 box at a time. It would appear for a minute or so and then dissapear and reappear somewhere else.

The site has real time inventory. What happened is people posted the link to the product thus bypassing the need to Hunt for it. The allowed many people to get them at the same time. the real time inventory took over and ensured that you did not place and order for something that was not available.

The idea for this hunt gave everyone a fair shot and was supposed to make it fun. Of all the ideas that are out there with the current release, I think this was the most creative. I give Dan props for that. Also, one he realized what was going on he took steps to fix it by changing the product code so that you could not just refresh your screen.

So before you go spreading bad blood toward a retailer that has a great reputation, please think a little about what may be going on. Dan and Pete both had the best interests in mind. The fast moving resources of the internet forums took over and botched the execution.

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by poriggity

So I worded it wrong. Still seems like a seriously botched up execution of the scavenger hunt. Answer me this, If you were waiting in the checkout line at the grocery store, with the last case of beer they had in your hands, and someone walked up to you while you were in line, took the beer you were holding, and bought it, then left... How would you feel? IMHO, If the box was IN your cart, and you were proceeding to check out, there should have been NO way for that customer to lose a box. Just my personal opinion. IMHO, Dan also should have known that he would need to change the product code, in order to keep the links from working for EVERYONE. Its only common sense that the internet cigar smokers will share those links.
Scott

Botched execution.. I don't think you should expect someone to think of EVERY scenario of folks being dishonest if I read the post that you're responding to correctly

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by chenvt

Botched execution.. I don't think you should expect someone to think of EVERY scenario of folks being dishonest if I read the post that you're responding to correctly

I don't think its dishonest for someone who has a link to a box of cigars to share said link with his internet friends. Its not like the link was emailed just to one person, and that one person is sharing it with 1000 people. There are ways to make it so that the link to a product code changes every few minutes. Simply put, my biggest gripe is not with the link being shared issue, its that I don't think its right that someone who is IN THE CHECKOUT PROCESS can have the stuff they are buying taken out of thier cart. I'm probably wrong, but this seems like a big oversight on NHC's part, and something should have been done to prevent things like that from happening. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by poriggity

So I worded it wrong. Still seems like a seriously botched up execution of the scavenger hunt. Answer me this, If you were waiting in the checkout line at the grocery store, with the last case of beer they had in your hands, and someone walked up to you while you were in line, took the beer you were holding, and bought it, then left... How would you feel? IMHO, If the box was IN your cart, and you were proceeding to check out, there should have been NO way for that customer to lose a box. Just my personal opinion. IMHO, Dan also should have known that he would need to change the product code, in order to keep the links from working for EVERYONE. Its only common sense that the internet cigar smokers will share those links.
Scott

EDIT:
I am sure Dan and Pete are both good people. I have met Pete, and can say he is a good guy. That being said, the way the scavenger hunt was executed was poor form. Again, this is just my opinion, and my opinion only. That being said, it is also my perogotive to shop where I choose, and based upon my own decisions, I have chosen to not buy from NHC, and probably won't buy tatuaje products either. Again these are all my own personal decisions, and while I know they won't make a difference to Pete or Dan, its just my convictions.

I do understand your frustrations. I had a box of Dracs in my cart ... TWICE ... and didn't get one! That was very frustrating. I do understand the problem, though ... someone else got it faster than I could. That's they way contests work.

Personally, even though I was frustrated at the cart problem, I thought the Scavenger Hunt was very fun. It was the only thing of it's kind in the Drac/Boris release and it did give everyone a chance, from a certian point of view. Other people were doing lotteries already, so this was something different. I thought it was a cool idea. Dan is good people.

That being said, I was also very frustrated that NHC was literally the ONLY "13" shop that did not sell to locals ... because I'm a local, lol.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way Dan was selling them at MSRP, not even adding in state taxes or anything like that, just sales tax for in-state people and shipping. It seems like many shops are gouging these, so this is a big in my book!

[doctorcue]

Damn, this is still going eh?

This whole situation is whack. No matter who is to blame.

[poriggity]

While I agree with part of what you are saying... and I have met Pete, and think he's a good guy, I think his business practices leave a lot to be desired. I thought the way that New Havana handled their "scavenger hunt", by pulling boxes of dracs out of people's shopping carts, as they were checking out, was royally JACKED. The thing that made me boycott Tatuaje was the fact that Pete was on the phone with Dan at New Havana monitoring this scavenger hunt the whole time, so he knew what was going on, and supportive of it.

There have also been quite a few retailers that are REQUIRING that each person buy a box of some other Tatuaje product, before you are even allowed to buy 1 drac or boris cigar. To me, this is highway robbery. Every place I have seen has jacked up the price on each box of tatuaje, as well as the cost of the drac and boris themselves, simply to make money. Obviously Pete is ok with this as well, or he'd pull the tatuaje account or at least the limited edition stuff from these retailers.

There are also retailers that are putting together 3-4 cigar sampers that include 1 drac and 1 boris, and charging $100-$115 for each sampler. IMHO, this is complete thievery. Pete knows this is going on, and allows it. These are all reasons I have decided to boycott certain retailers, as well at Tatuaje Cigars as a whole.
Scott

Originally Posted by poriggity

.....I thought the way that New Havana handled their "scavenger hunt", by pulling boxes of dracs out of people's shopping carts, as they were checking out, was royally JACKED....

Every place I have seen has jacked up the price on each box of tatuaje, as well as the cost of the drac and boris themselves, simply to make money....

"Every place" you saw "jacked" up the price? You sure about that?

I mean, since you mentioned NHC, you're obviously aware of them and the dracs... They didn't raise the price on the drac or boris 1 cent above MSRP. You still sure about "every place" you saw?

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Mike-823

"Every place" you saw "jacked" up the price? You sure about that?

I mean, since you mentioned NHC, you're obviously aware of them and the dracs... They didn't raise the price on the drac or boris 1 cent above MSRP. You still sure about "every place" you saw?

Ok, well, since I never found a box of dracs or boris on New Havana's site, how would I know what they are priced at? Perhaps I over exaggerated. I am sure there are some retailers selling at MSRP. But there are also a lot of retailers that are gouging.
Scott

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by poriggity

Ok, well, since I never found a box of dracs or boris on New Havana's site, how would I know what they are priced at? Perhaps I over exaggerated. I am sure there are some retailers selling at MSRP. But there are also a lot of retailers that are gouging.
Scott

Point, Poriggity!

[pfm721]

Originally Posted by poriggity

Ok, well, since I never found a box of dracs or boris on New Havana's site, how would I know what they are priced at? Perhaps I over exaggerated. I am sure there are some retailers selling at MSRP. But there are also a lot of retailers that are gouging.
Scott

Emerson sold them online yesterday at MSRP. But yes some are taking advantage.

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by pfm721

Emerson sold them online yesterday at MSRP. But yes some are taking advantage.

II heard a rumor that they were selling them at MSRP, but I also heard they sold out in like 20 minutes LOL...
Scott

[montecristo#2]

This has been an interesting process, that is for sure. I have had an easier time getting more limited Tatuajes than these. Mark at Tower was selling the Cohetes (only 150 or so boxes) and they lasted longer than these, the T110's where there was also less than 200 boxes as well.

Is there a right way or wrong way to sell these, probably. Has this situation opened my eyes to a couple of retailers most definitely.

Have I learned something from this experience, yes. Treat the retailers you use with respect and loyalty and they will treat you the same way.

I do not blame a shop I have never bought from for not selling these to me out of the blue. If they save them for locals who support and keep the shop running, more power to them. All I ask is an email to let me know that is the case. Also, if a shop starts a list and tells people they will be getting a box, they should stick to that (luckily that did not happen to me).

I usually buy from several shops, from now on I will probably stick to a handful (3-4) even if they are 10 dollars more expensive.

[cort]

I thought cigars were supposed to be a relaxing hobby

All this Tat drama is crazy. Sorry to everyone who got jerked around by these clowns. How good can the damn cigars be?

[poriggity]

Originally Posted by Cort

I thought cigars were supposed to be a relaxing hobby

All this Tat drama is crazy. Sorry to everyone who got jerked around by these clowns. How good can the damn cigars be?

I had a friend tell me he smoked a drac today, and thought the Conoju was better. That right there tells me that the hype is way over played.

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by poriggity

I had a friend tell me he smoked a drac today, and thought the Conoju was better. That right there tells me that the hype is way over played.

Oh, cmon, really? Based on one person?

Based on what **I** know, the Cojonu series is NOT better then the Drac, not by a long shot...

(but I do love a good Cojonu 2003

~ brooks