Somali Pirates - Page 3

04-13-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by loki

I'm assuming some type of bullet

30mm. Heh, heh, heh. Maybe not.

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Old Sailor · 04-13-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Those Navy snipers were unreal.
Two separate boats rocking. Critical shots only to be taken once.
Nailed them!!!

Oh what joy!!!

Snipers where Seals ,well done guys!

macpappy · 04-13-2009, 03:52 PM

My son and I had been sitting around wondering why the Navy just didn't send the Seals in under cover of darkness to play "pop the pirate". All I can say is IT WAS ABOUT TIME!

Now we can all sit back and listen to all the wussy hand wringers talking about how the evil U.S. has just made the situation worse by murdering those three law abiding Somailian patriots. I can't wait for some pillar of human rights to stand up and call for a UN trial in international court charging the Seals with murder.

macpappy · 04-13-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

I suppose a history class might have prevented this situation from its inception if the Pirates simply understood the phrase "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli."
Yes, I know the shooters were Navy Seals, not Marines, but the sentiment, and the continent is the same.

I think the pirates have watched Pirates of the Caribbean and some of the other romantic Hollywood movies too many times...

DrDubzz · 04-13-2009, 04:05 PM

Lots of SF types like to modify the M14 and use it for sniping/sharpshooting etc.

SeanGAR · 04-13-2009, 04:16 PM

Way to go boys ... if you're ever in my neck of the woods, beers are on me. About frickin time those scum face bullets instead of stacks of $100 bills. Next time they need to give them counterfeit money then blow them out of the frickin water after they head back to shore/mothership. A few months of 99% mortality and pirating won't seem to be such a good option anymore.

04-13-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Nuke 'em.

Agree with Admiral on this. The only course of action is an overwhelming show of force. No walking on eggshell appproach. Just hit em where it hurts.

04-13-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesb3

Agree with Admiral on this. The only course of action is an overwhelming show of force. No walking on eggshell appproach. Just hit em where it hurts.

Yeah! When has the "walking on eggshells" ever put a swift end to bad behavior?
Maybe not nukes, though. Do we still have big gun battleships? Crater the coastline. Could you imagine the soiled pants if a battleship or two parked off their ports and swiveled it's guns around.

CBI_2 · 04-13-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator

Twice just to be sure

10-4 on that.

I bit like this guys philosophy for world peace. http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

JPH · 04-13-2009, 04:55 PM

04-13-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CBI_2

10-4 on that.

I bit like this guys philosophy for world peace. http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

04-13-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanGAR

A few months of 99% mortality and pirating won't seem to be such a good option anymore.

That's what ended piracy the first time around.

MedicCook · 04-13-2009, 10:48 PM

Spike TV just announced they have a deal with the US Navy and will start filming in 2 weeks for a reality show. They hope to have it on tv by September.

Wolfgang · 04-13-2009, 11:04 PM

"Dead men tell no tales" Take out every pirate on board simultaneously.

MedicCook · 04-13-2009, 11:08 PM

Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

icehog3 · 04-13-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook

Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

MedicCook · 04-13-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

That is my second favorite movie of all time.

RGD. · 04-13-2009, 11:44 PM

I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.

Ron

Old Sailor · 04-14-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RGD.

I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.

Ron

Right on!!

JimmyPeaches · 04-14-2009, 01:07 AM

I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates.

1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine.

2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates.

3. Why can't the U.S. take over? Transporting pirates to the USA, trying them, and then holding them would put a strain on our national funds for a world problem. Also without capable local governments, practical enforcement is near impossible. In the Straits of Malacca near Malayasia and Indonesia, the pirates were deterred and finally moved on one the local governments stepped enforcements.

4. How does a speedboat stop a cargo ship? Most often the pirates ask for ransoms that are less than the insurance premiums for a one-way passage through the Gulf of Aden. Premiums have risen from $500 to ~$20,000 in very recent years and months. Secondly, many times the pirates are crewed on the ships, so knowingly or unknowing the shipping company has already set themselves up, which is also the reason that weapons are not kept aboard.

Well, that's enough for one post.

04-13-2009, 03:52 PM	#43
macpappy Rider on the storm. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Slidell, LA Posts: 851 Trading: (0)	Re: Somali Pirates My son and I had been sitting around wondering why the Navy just didn't send the Seals in under cover of darkness to play "pop the pirate". All I can say is IT WAS ABOUT TIME! Now we can all sit back and listen to all the wussy hand wringers talking about how the evil U.S. has just made the situation worse by murdering those three law abiding Somailian patriots. I can't wait for some pillar of human rights to stand up and call for a UN trial in international court charging the Seals with murder. __________________ WARNING: I am a Southern White Male. I have a brain and I know how to use it.

04-13-2009, 04:05 PM	#45
DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Virginia Posts: 2,201 Trading: (34)	Re: Somali Pirates Lots of SF types like to modify the M14 and use it for sniping/sharpshooting etc.

04-13-2009, 04:16 PM	#46
SeanGAR Crotchety Geezer Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Radford VA Posts: 911 Trading: (3)	Re: Somali Pirates Way to go boys ... if you're ever in my neck of the woods, beers are on me. About frickin time those scum face bullets instead of stacks of $100 bills. Next time they need to give them counterfeit money then blow them out of the frickin water after they head back to shore/mothership. A few months of 99% mortality and pirating won't seem to be such a good option anymore. __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

04-13-2009, 04:55 PM	#50
JPH Ted Peffer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 125 Trading: (0)	Re: Somali Pirates

04-13-2009, 10:48 PM	#53
MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: Somali Pirates Spike TV just announced they have a deal with the US Navy and will start filming in 2 weeks for a reality show. They hope to have it on tv by September.

04-13-2009, 11:04 PM	#54
Wolfgang Back from the dead Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 2,541 Trading: (14)	Re: Somali Pirates "Dead men tell no tales" Take out every pirate on board simultaneously. __________________ You probably wont remember that test you failed, but you'll never forget the girl you were with the night before, when you decided not to study.

04-13-2009, 11:08 PM	#55
MedicCook Mila smoked my cigar Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Ryan Location: Schaghticoke, NY Posts: 10,946 Trading: (7)	Re: Somali Pirates Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

04-13-2009, 11:44 PM	#58
RGD. God Like Status Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ron Location: Alexandria, Virginia Posts: 971 Trading: (1)	Re: Somali Pirates I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off. But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice. 1 pirate mother ship. 1 US Navy attack submarine 1 torpedo. Practice. 1 pirate strong hold. 1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer. 1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile. Practice 1 pirate speed boat. 1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra 1 AGM-114 Hellfire Practice The list could go on. And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves. Ron

04-14-2009, 01:07 AM	#60
JimmyPeaches Just in from the Storm Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: James Location: Carrollton/North Dallas/Farmers Branch/Plano, TX Posts: 43 Trading: (0)	Re: Somali Pirates I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates. 1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine. 2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates. 3. Why can't the U.S. take over? Transporting pirates to the USA, trying them, and then holding them would put a strain on our national funds for a world problem. Also without capable local governments, practical enforcement is near impossible. In the Straits of Malacca near Malayasia and Indonesia, the pirates were deterred and finally moved on one the local governments stepped enforcements. 4. How does a speedboat stop a cargo ship? Most often the pirates ask for ransoms that are less than the insurance premiums for a one-way passage through the Gulf of Aden. Premiums have risen from $500 to ~$20,000 in very recent years and months. Secondly, many times the pirates are crewed on the ships, so knowingly or unknowing the shipping company has already set themselves up, which is also the reason that weapons are not kept aboard. Well, that's enough for one post.