Non Lethal Self Protection Advice

[Flat4boxer]

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. When he gets out, he will be back in your MILs yard and at some point will assault someone again.

If your MIL is like mine, a bit older and somewhat feeble, whatever less than lethal device she has may be taken from her and used against her.

There have been alot of good suggestions thus far and I think a good sized "sic balls" type dog is probably your best bet at this point.

Beyond that she will need a gun, the proper training on how to use it and the mental attitude to use it with deadly intention should it come to that. If she cannot bring herself to do that a gun is not an option at all because as I stated above, it may be taken from her and used against her.

I hate that you even have to come to others seeking this advise but it is the world we live in. Always remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[rrplasencia]

evil sharks with frikin lasers attached to their heads

[taltos]

One other great non lethal self protection device is a tall fence with a key locked gate. If he climbs the fence he is fair game to be taken out by any means necessary, lethal or non lethal. Check local laws, she very well could have more legal problems(civil) turning a dog on him than killing him in self defense.

Originally Posted by taltos

One other great non lethal self protection device is a tall fence with a key locked gate. If he climbs the fence he is fair game to be taken out by any means necessary, lethal or non lethal. Check local laws, she very well could have more legal problems(civil) turning a dog on him than killing him in self defense.

Sadly enough this is probably more correct. Although if he falls off the fence trying to climb over it there are some lawyers who will get your in-laws money for the guy. Dogs can be poisoned or get you into trouble if they bite someone, even an intruder.

I understand the MIL not wanting to use lethal force, but it is the only guarantee that this guy will stop. There has already been a pattern of violence and the in-laws just knowing of this pattern could be enough to make the case for them feeling a threat of eminent physical harm with the possibility of death, because you never know when good ol' crazy turns into murderous rage. Two rounds through the chest. Hollow points would be my recommendation.

[md4958]

Albert, you've received a lot of good advice here. What I would ask your MIL is who would she rather have dead, the psycho, or herself? That question typically puts things into perspective.

I'm assuming the wacko is renting? Any possibility of talking to his landlord about terminating his lease?

Living in fear is no way to live. Good luck with your family's decision my friend.

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[quote=md4958;458477] I'm assuming the wacko is renting? Any possibility of talking to his landlord about terminating his lease?QUOTE]


Good call, rental leases generally contain a provision which prevent tenants from distrubing their neighbors. A violation of such provision would be cause for breaching the lease. Also, since he is currently in jail, he probably isn't paying his rent. If he is renting, make sure that your MIL informs the landlord in writing of their tenants actions and reminds them that they she will hold them liable for their tenants actions (since they have prior knowledge of their tenant's actions and mental condition).

Either way, I would still get a big dog (and keep a loaded shotgun handy).

Best of luck!

[BlackDog]

Big well trained protection dog, motion detector lights, wall between the properties.

Personally I like shotguns with buckshot, but if your MIL doesn't, make it hard for the guy to even get close to her.

Or his house could accidentally burn down while he's in jail.

[cbsmokin]

One more thing that is good knowledge for everyone here not just Albert is if you are in a situation like this go visit your local police station. Tell them you are scared. They will make their presence known for you, especially if you come back a few times with goodies. Sandwiches, wings, whatever can go a long way.

Also make sure all of your neighbors are aware of what happened. They will look out their windows more often. I also guarantee one of her neighbors will end a situation permanently if it escalates.

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by cbsmokin

One more thing that is good knowledge for everyone here not just Albert is if you are in a situation like this go visit your local police station. Tell them you are scared. They will make their presence known for you...

This is good advice. We had a situation a year or so ago where we had reason to be concerned about my son's birth father. We got a restraining order on him and let the local police know about the situation. They cruised our street rather regularly until he was incarcerated in the county mental health lock up.

[Hippi3Slay3r]

If the guys got the crazys you might wanna look into less lethal vs non. If hes made up his mind hes comeing for you non lethals will more then likely piss him off evan more, Where as a nicely placed 12ga stingball or beanbag round will put him on his a$$.

[md4958]

The beanbag rounds and shotguns seem like excellent suggestions, but can any of you really picture your mother or mother-in-law carrying around a shotgun with them while gardening?

[Hippi3Slay3r]

Originally Posted by md4958

The beanbag rounds and shotguns seem like excellent suggestions, but can any of you really picture your mother or mother-in-law carrying around a shotgun with them while gardening?

Beanbag rounds for this? http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Hippi3Slay3r

Beanbag rounds for this? http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

OH SNAP!! I didnt know they made them for handguns!!

[kaisersozei]

I concur with the dog suggestion.

Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but most of the professional home alarm systems have "panic buttons" that can be activated in emergencies, if things get really out of hand. Some of them even have direct in-home audio monitoring which links to a dispatch center so that the alarm company can silently listen in and send whatever help (fire, ambulance, police) is needed at the time.

[pakrat]

Originally Posted by kaisersozei

Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but most of the professional home alarm systems have "panic buttons" that can be activated in emergencies, if things get really out of hand. Some of them even have direct in-home audio monitoring which links to a dispatch center so that the alarm company can silently listen in and send whatever help (fire, ambulance, police) is needed at the time.

This actually sounds like a pretty good idea. With a remote alarm loud enough to wake the dead and bring out the neighbors, unless he's really off the deep end, he would probably turn tail and run. If not, then she could resort to the lethal force as a back-up plan.

Originally Posted by Hippi3Slay3r

Beanbag rounds for this? http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

This has been a very informative thread for me, thank you all. OP, I wish you and yours all the best with this fella. My brother's bipolar, never takes his meds either, so I've heard a lot of and seen a little of what mental illness and/or drinking can do.

Thanks also to Hippi3Slay3r for mentioning that Taurus. When I'm of age, I just might look into the Judge, or its next version if Taurus expands on it at all.

A well-informed citizen is a well-armed citizen, and vice-versa.

[kydsid]

OP lemme chime in from my perspective based on 8 years in law enforcement.

1) Get a restraining order immediately.

2) Convince you MIL to carry in her yard. Open carry if permitted by law is best as this is a detterent even for a person such as your neighbor.

3) You NEVER shoot to wound. You NEVER shoot to kill. You shoot to stop. This is an important difference here. Even if your shots to stop are two shots to center mass, which they always should be. Premeditated murder can still be commited even if it is an intruder if you shoot to kill, unless you live in one of the very few states with strong Castle Doctrine. Even then in a civil affair saying you shot to kill will likely loose the case and considering the few challenges to Castle Doctrine do you want to take that chance with felony charges should the DA choose to file? And you really need to know the laws where you live; in some states merely pulling a firearm is legally the same as shooting someone as it is all considered use of deadly force.

4) Less than lethal forces take training and more often than not require backup to be effective in their use and implementation. The type of less than lethal that really doesn't is a taser, but do you want this person to be within arm's reach of your MIL?

5) In an ideal world the courts could fix this douche with a shock collar that jolts his family jewels every time he crosses into your MILs property. Oh well

[awsmith4]

Thank you guys for the advice!

First, the cameras are back in operation and she has filed the restraining order, the police and even the magistrate have been very supportive so far so those protections are in place.

A dog is an option but this guy would be the kind to figure out a way to poison it before making an attack, though he is disturbed and obviously an idiot, his acts seem to be somewhat thought out.

My FIL has shotguns and at least one handgun (a .38 and he isn't afraid to use them) but I think she is scared of them. After talking to my wife, I think if we found her a compact or subcompact automatic it and sent her to some training she would feel much more comfortable. I am also afraid of her in a close quarters attack with a tazer

He actually lives there with his girlfriend and they own the house so no chance of a landlord but if he stays in jail long enough maybe it will foreclose. She also told my MIL and police he is not welcome back but who knows how she'll act if comes begging back. Since they have come forward many other neighbors have been able to possibly link him to thefts and 2 B&Es, one where he lost his shoe. If the judge allows a search warrant he may be looking at much more serious charges.

She is out today to retain a lawyer to define her rights so I will keep you posted

[rrplasencia]

Originally Posted by awsmith4

She is out today to retain a lawyer to define her rights so I will keep you posted

if you need a lawyer just let me know, i have family in ATL that are lawyers. might be able to get you someone cheap or free. just shoot me an email if you need names.

Well if she doesn't want the kinda thing I would use then she should at least have one of these.




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