The Wine Thread - Page 29

mosesbotbol · 04-04-2015, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215

Went to Total Wine tonight got- Warres 2001 LBV (unfiltered), Greek Cellars Mavrodaphne, and Sandeman Fine Rich Madiera

Moses- Thank you for your input as always when I'm more financially set I will def be trying some of your suggestions at TW I saw Broadbent Colheita Madiera but was not in my budget I bet much so enjoyed the Madiera I had the other night, are other there other Madieras (dryer kinds?) that have a little more body to them? It is a nice change of pace from Porto and yet similar I will be adding Madieras to routine!

John- also thanks for your input as well your the reason I got the Sandeman Fine Rich!

My favorite styles of Madeira Verdelho, Terrantez (everyone loves that one), and Bual. Sercial is nice (drier version). Verdelho is a good balance if you like them on the sweeter side. Malmsey is the sweetest. Since the Madeira doesn't go bad once open, consider the purchase more like a Scotch. You can buy one fancier bottle and then move on to the 5-10 year after. Always end the night with Madeira. If you start with Madeira and then go Port; the acidity in the Madeira will overwhelm the flavors you get the Port.

I like to line up a night's tasting in order of acidity (weak to strong).

Gabe215 · 04-14-2015, 05:45 PM

mosesbotbol · 04-14-2015, 09:14 PM

That looks to be the Madeira in your glass, no?

Gabe215 · 04-15-2015, 04:13 AM

Si Senior

Chainsaw13 · 05-15-2015, 07:53 PM

I don't drink a lot of wines, but this is one of my favorites. Paired so well with my steak dinner. Good thing I'm headed back to Argentina next month.

mosesbotbol · 05-16-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13

I don't drink a lot of wines, but this is one of my favorites. Paired so well with my steak dinner. Good thing I'm headed back to Argentina next month.

Haven't that wine, but Catena is one of the most famous producers from the region. I'd imagine it was indeed pretty good.

Do you bring any wine back from Argentina? I have a travel wine suit case I use for such purposes. Can hold 12 bottles.

samnuts · 05-22-2015, 09:10 AM

ah love the info! wine is something i want to get more into.

Gabe215 · 06-13-2015, 10:11 AM

Mavrodaphne (Greek attempt at port) on the balcony of our hotel in Mykonos!

Porch Dweller · 06-13-2015, 12:06 PM

What a view! I never had much luck with Greek wines when we vacationed there. I ended up just sticking with Metaxa.

nutcracker · 06-13-2015, 03:58 PM

Suffering, eh Gabe?

Gabe215 · 06-14-2015, 04:39 AM

Stress is killing me Neil!

mosesbotbol · 06-15-2015, 08:21 AM

There's some good wine being made in Greece actually. Your picture looks like heaven...

nutcracker · 06-15-2015, 12:59 PM

h

A 97 botrytisized Chenin from one of the most beautiful spots on earth.
Enjoyed in downtown Toronto (no contest for the Loire) at Barberiens

nutcracker · 06-15-2015, 01:04 PM

And this with a medium rare strip loin

mosesbotbol · 06-15-2015, 02:43 PM

Le Mont and Cote Rotie.... Yes, with medium rare strip any night!!!

nutcracker · 06-23-2015, 07:38 AM

Don't cry for me Argentina...

It's an interesting phenomenon that things transported to different climates and terroir behave so differently. Cuban seed would be a fine example, where the identical species of plant tastes completely different when cultivated outside of Cuba.

Vines transplanted in the New World do the same thing. The classic example would be the finely structured Syrah grape form the Rhone that becomes the fruit forward, jammy, almost unrecognizable Aussie Shiraz.

Malbec was widely cultivated in France prior to phylloxera, and following the decimation of Bordeaux in the 19th century, was only modestly replanted and became overshadowed by Merlot and the Cabernets. A little to the South East, close to Bergerac is the Cahors region, Malbec remains king in the old world. Heavy, structured, tannic reds to have with your steak. Once in the New World, the same vines become fruit forward and less tannic. Argentine Malbec from Mendoza is all the rage.

Well I have a thing about Old World wines, especially with food. The Cahors I had last night would be a fine example of a wine for a meat dish. Now the assemblage of this particular wine has a dose of Tannat in it too (a brutally tannic grape), so we can't blame all of the backbone on Malbec.

If you haven't had a decent Cahors, I would suggest trying some. (The caveat being - only with food - some juicy steak, a hearty stew or duck confit.) Where the Bordelais have largely given up on Malbec, in Cahors they have persisted, and it really pays off.

Not big in North America - overshadowed by Mendoza - too bad really....

mosesbotbol · 06-23-2015, 09:24 AM

Cahors is the only region for Malbec IMO. I do not like South America Malbec at all.

nutcracker · 06-23-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Cahors is the only region for Malbec IMO. I do not like South America Malbec at all.

Ah Moses! A kindred spirit! I challenged our local wine boutique to find a good Malbec from Mendoza. Turns out I'm a hard lad to please!

mosesbotbol · 06-23-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nutcracker

Ah Moses! A kindred spirit! I challenged our local wine boutique to find a good Malbec from Mendoza. Turns out I'm a hard lad to please!

My girlfriend can't stand Malbec, only having S. American bottles. Served her a Cahors and she loved it.

I find the same with Pinot and Syrah; Burgundy and N. Rhone are the best example and that's it.

mc808 · 06-24-2015, 03:35 AM

While I do prefer old world wines, I find that many new world wines are very well made. It's often a case of terroir versus deliciousness and accessibility. Argentine Malbec does serve its purpose and is certainly a crowd pleaser though it may not measure up to your refined palates.

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samnuts Just in from the Storm Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8 Trading: (0)	Re: The Wine Thread ah love the info! wine is something i want to get more into.

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Gabe215 Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Gabe Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,120 Trading: (20)	Re: The Wine Thread Mavrodaphne (Greek attempt at port) on the balcony of our hotel in Mykonos! Last edited by Gabe215; 06-13-2015 at 10:12 AM. Reason: Misspelled

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Porch Dweller Life is for living Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: James Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 8,401 Trading: (24)	Re: The Wine Thread What a view! I never had much luck with Greek wines when we vacationed there. I ended up just sticking with Metaxa. __________________ A 1911 in the hand is faster than 911 on the phone

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nutcracker Shameless epicurian Join Date: Apr 2014 First Name: Neil Location: Winnipeg, Canada - Home of the Jets! Posts: 1,631 Trading: (26)	Re: The Wine Thread Suffering, eh Gabe? __________________ "Well I ain't often right but I've never been wrong.... Jerry Garcia (R.I.P.)

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Gabe215 Have My Own Room Join Date: Nov 2012 First Name: Gabe Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,120 Trading: (20)	Re: The Wine Thread Stress is killing me Neil!

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mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: The Wine Thread There's some good wine being made in Greece actually. Your picture looks like heaven... __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

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nutcracker Shameless epicurian Join Date: Apr 2014 First Name: Neil Location: Winnipeg, Canada - Home of the Jets! Posts: 1,631 Trading: (26)	Re: The Wine Thread h A 97 botrytisized Chenin from one of the most beautiful spots on earth. Enjoyed in downtown Toronto (no contest for the Loire) at Barberiens __________________ "Well I ain't often right but I've never been wrong.... Jerry Garcia (R.I.P.) Last edited by nutcracker; 06-15-2015 at 01:05 PM.

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nutcracker Shameless epicurian Join Date: Apr 2014 First Name: Neil Location: Winnipeg, Canada - Home of the Jets! Posts: 1,631 Trading: (26)	Re: The Wine Thread And this with a medium rare strip loin __________________ "Well I ain't often right but I've never been wrong.... Jerry Garcia (R.I.P.)

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mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: The Wine Thread Le Mont and Cote Rotie.... Yes, with medium rare strip any night!!! __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

06-23-2015, 07:38 AM	#16
nutcracker Shameless epicurian Join Date: Apr 2014 First Name: Neil Location: Winnipeg, Canada - Home of the Jets! Posts: 1,631 Trading: (26)	Re: The Wine Thread Don't cry for me Argentina... It's an interesting phenomenon that things transported to different climates and terroir behave so differently. Cuban seed would be a fine example, where the identical species of plant tastes completely different when cultivated outside of Cuba. Vines transplanted in the New World do the same thing. The classic example would be the finely structured Syrah grape form the Rhone that becomes the fruit forward, jammy, almost unrecognizable Aussie Shiraz. Malbec was widely cultivated in France prior to phylloxera, and following the decimation of Bordeaux in the 19th century, was only modestly replanted and became overshadowed by Merlot and the Cabernets. A little to the South East, close to Bergerac is the Cahors region, Malbec remains king in the old world. Heavy, structured, tannic reds to have with your steak. Once in the New World, the same vines become fruit forward and less tannic. Argentine Malbec from Mendoza is all the rage. Well I have a thing about Old World wines, especially with food. The Cahors I had last night would be a fine example of a wine for a meat dish. Now the assemblage of this particular wine has a dose of Tannat in it too (a brutally tannic grape), so we can't blame all of the backbone on Malbec. If you haven't had a decent Cahors, I would suggest trying some. (The caveat being - only with food - some juicy steak, a hearty stew or duck confit.) Where the Bordelais have largely given up on Malbec, in Cahors they have persisted, and it really pays off. Not big in North America - overshadowed by Mendoza - too bad really.... __________________ "Well I ain't often right but I've never been wrong.... Jerry Garcia (R.I.P.)

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mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: The Wine Thread Cahors is the only region for Malbec IMO. I do not like South America Malbec at all. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

06-24-2015, 03:35 AM	#20
mc808 Just in from the Storm Join Date: Oct 2014 First Name: Marvin Location: Hawaii Posts: 25 Trading: (0)	Re: The Wine Thread While I do prefer old world wines, I find that many new world wines are very well made. It's often a case of terroir versus deliciousness and accessibility. Argentine Malbec does serve its purpose and is certainly a crowd pleaser though it may not measure up to your refined palates.