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03-14-2009, 10:38 AM
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After reading this thread I got so horny for my guns that I'm going to pull them all out of my safe and clean them and talk to them and tuck them back into bed and read them a bedtime story. I'll try to post a pic of my modest collection some time soon. Now everyone go join the NRA and send them a big check (I am a Patron member)!
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03-14-2009, 10:52 AM
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03-14-2009, 12:12 PM
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03-14-2009, 07:34 PM
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I'm looking for a 22lr target gun. Very interested in a revolver. I kinda like the idea of a double action, but I hear the trigger pull is pretty stiff. I've been eyeing the Taurus Model 94 and the Ruger Single Six. I've looked at S&W, but they're a bit out of my price range. I've seen Single Six's go for around $350 on gunbroker, give or take a little, that's pretty much my upper range. Anything else I should consider? Any opinions on DA vs SA rimfire revolvers?
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03-14-2009, 07:45 PM
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=125007756
these are great for .22 and uber accurate, but not a revolver if that is what you really want. |
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03-14-2009, 11:37 PM
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03-15-2009, 02:04 PM
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From this weekend...
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03-15-2009, 02:06 PM
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03-15-2009, 02:06 PM
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03-16-2009, 07:17 PM
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Ever kick yourself for passing up a good deal? I was at the range tonight and saw the owner finish cleaning a P6, and put a tag on it for $319. The gun had a little wear, but was dated '98 and had factory night sights. I've got a P6 already so I passed on it... but mine is dated '79, needs new springs, has plain iron sights and a lot more wear. By the time I got home I regretted my decision, left a voice mail and an email for the shop hoping they'll set it aside for me until after work tomorrow. Hopefully they check messages before the gun sells!
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03-17-2009, 02:36 PM
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ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ MO FUGGA!
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Re: First Firearm Thread.
Well, gentlemen. The attack is upon us. No, they are not coming for our weapons. They're going for the ammo.
Read it for yourself. DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners. Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress. I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee. Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere. Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (http://www.georgia-arms.com/), on Gun Talk (http://www.guntalk.com/)--and Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen. Now it has come clear...now we know what they intend to do. It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales. Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless. Think we jest? Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber: Dear Valued Customer: Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency: Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case. Thank you, DOD Surplus 15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 March 12, 2009 Larry Haynie Georgia Arms PO Box 238 Villa Rica, GA 30180 Re: Event 7084-6200: Dear Larry Haynie, Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable. Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009. Sincerely, Government Liquidation. Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition. Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap. Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S. "We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me. He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force. Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass. He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market. Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country. He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country. You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find. Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year. Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club. What can you do? Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in http://www.congress.org/. When you reach that site, type in your zip code--it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages. Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.
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03-17-2009, 02:46 PM
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Re: First Firearm Thread.
Following is an idea of a letter you can send your Congress-critters to help in the fight to stop this action by the Obama administration.
This isn't the future, gents. It's no longer a: "When are they going to make the push?", "I wonder what tactic they will use?", "What's their plan?" It is here. It is now. This move can effectively remove the ability for the average, everyday Joe to be able to enjoy the shooting sports by effectively making ammo either impossible to get or too expensive to be able to purchase. Write your congressman. Join the NRA. If you aren't part of the solution, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. Help you fellow 2nd ammendment supporting, law-abiding citizens such as myself that are only interested in supporting the rights guaranteed us in the original Bill of Rights. The Honorable _________________________________________ Member of Congress from _________________________________ Dear Congressman _______________________________________: It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture. You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere. Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way. By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply. Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition. In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds. With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market. Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition. Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs. Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country--if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs--and this is obviously the intent. Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry. Sincerely,
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03-17-2009, 02:53 PM
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We should not act suprised.
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