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chippewastud79 · 01-18-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

Playoffs are always possible, but I don't think it'll be this year.

Its only a matter of time before Votto is traded away for another '#1 prospect' like Jay (2 for 20) Bruce.

Starscream · 01-18-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Its only a matter of time before Votto is traded away for another '#1 prospect' like Jay (2 for 20) Bruce.

We can't afford to keep Votto around after his contract is up. He'll be worth too much (providing he stays healthy and keeps up his current level of production).

Bruce isn't that bad. He'll get more consistent. Phillips, Bruce, and Votto are the heart of this team right now (not saying much for us). And Rolen.

chippewastud79 · 01-19-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

We can't afford to keep Votto around after his contract is up. He'll be worth too much (providing he stays healthy and keeps up his current level of production).

Bruce isn't that bad. He'll get more consistent. Phillips, Bruce, and Votto are the heart of this team right now (not saying much for us). And Rolen.

Bruce hit somewhere around .220 last season. Not bad for the kid who was supposed to replace Josh Hamilton.

The problem is the Reds force young 'talent' into the majors before they are ready or despite the fact they will never be ready.

Starscream · 01-20-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Bruce hit somewhere around .220 last season. Not bad for the kid who was supposed to replace Josh Hamilton.

The problem is the Reds force young 'talent' into the majors before they are ready or despite the fact they will never be ready.

I'd rather have Bruce than Hamilton. Hamilton is the better player, but look what's happening to him again. I was angry about the Hamilton trade for a long time until we saw that he was turning back to his old lifestyle. Bruce doesn't have integrity problems and we don't have to worry about what condition he shows up to play in, or whether he shows up at all. Hamilton is a gamble.

Starscream · 01-20-2010, 07:43 AM

Here's an interesting column about the Reds and arbitration.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...itration+blues

elderboy02 · 01-20-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

Here's an interesting column about the Reds and arbitration.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...itration+blues

Interesting article. I really like Daugherty's articles. He came to my old high school (Elder) and talked to us one day. It was fun to pick his brain on different topics. The coolest speaker we ever had was Dan Patrick. He was hilarious!

Starscream · 01-20-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Interesting article. I really like Daugherty's articles. He came to my old high school (Elder) and talked to us one day. It was fun to pick his brain on different topics. The coolest speaker we ever had was Dan Patrick. He was hilarious!

Daugherty's much more interesting than Fay.

I like Patrick's interviews in SI.

Starscream · 01-30-2010, 06:35 PM

Looks like Orlando Cabrera is going to be our starting SS this year. Janish is a better fielder but he doesn't have the bat. Cabrera is error prone, more than EE was when he played for us.

I say fugg 'em both and call up Frazier. Decent fielder and a decent bat.

It won't happen, but here's what I'd like to see as our 2010 starting lineup:

1. Dickerson CF
2. Frazier SS
3. Votto LF
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Rolen 3B
7. Alonso 1B
8. Hernandez C

Yeah, I know Votto should be on first, but we can't just let Yonder Alonso rot down in Carolina and Louisville. He's too good to be held back. If Dunn can play LF, then Votto can surely hold his own out there.

chippewastud79 · 01-31-2010, 08:57 AM

The thing that scares me about kids from Triple-A is they don't develop there for some reason. Prime example is Homer Bailey, they throw the kid to the wolves in the big show and he gets eaten alive. Its like they never teach them anything on their way through the system and by the time they are forced to the top they aren't ready.

elderboy02 · 01-31-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

The thing that scares me about kids from Triple-A is they don't develop there for some reason. Prime example is Homer Bailey, they throw the kid to the wolves in the big show and he gets eaten alive. Its like they never teach them anything on their way through the system and by the time they are forced to the top they aren't ready.

Homer didn't do too bad the last half of the year. I think he finally has his head on right. Now he actually throws a strike on the 1st pitch.

Starscream · 01-31-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

The thing that scares me about kids from Triple-A is they don't develop there for some reason. Prime example is Homer Bailey, they throw the kid to the wolves in the big show and he gets eaten alive. Its like they never teach them anything on their way through the system and by the time they are forced to the top they aren't ready.

It seems in our system that the best development comes out of AA Carolina. I agree that Louisville doesn't seem like the best place to develop talent (especially pitchers), although with the new pitching coach, that could change.

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

Homer didn't do too bad the last half of the year. I think he finally has his head on right. Now he actually throws a strike on the 1st pitch.

Homer worked out a lot of his problems late in the season. I only hope he remains that way going in to 2010.

And it looks like Cabrera is officially a Red, so Frazier is either out or part of the LF/CF platoon. Please don't let Tavares be in CF again...

smitdavi · 01-31-2010, 03:19 PM

Looks like we could have a pretty damn good infield this year with the addition of Cabrera

smitdavi · 01-31-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

We can't afford to keep Votto around after his contract is up. He'll be worth too much (providing he stays healthy and keeps up his current level of production).

Bruce isn't that bad. He'll get more consistent. Phillips, Bruce, and Votto are the heart of this team right now (not saying much for us). And Rolen.

I don't see us not holding on to Votto, imo he will and should be a staple of Reds baseball for a long time to come

Starscream · 01-31-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smitdavi

I don't see us not holding on to Votto, imo he will and should be a staple of Reds baseball for a long time to come

I hope this is true, but with teams with much bigger payrolls out there and Votto being predicted to be a superhero...

smitdavi · 01-31-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

I hope this is true, but with teams with much bigger payrolls out there and Votto being predicted to be a superhero...

Lets just hope the Reds pony up the cash to keep him

elderboy02 · 02-01-2010, 11:56 AM

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin

02/01/10 1

0 PM EST
Reds acquire Miles in four-player deal
Taveras dealt to A's but then designated for assignment

By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com
CINCINNATI -- The Reds acquired infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later from the A's on Monday for center fielder Willy Taveras and infielder Adam Rosales.

Taveras was promptly designated for assignment by Oakland.

The move followed an unsuccessful season in Cincinnati for Taveras, who was due to make $4 million in 2010, the final season of a two-year contract. In 102 games, he batted .240 with a .275 on-base percentage and 25 steals as the Reds' leadoff hitter.

Miles was also a disappointment in 2009 after he signed a two-year contract with the Cubs. He batted .185 in 74 games. The 33-year-old is due to make $2.7 million this season.

Over his seven big league seasons with the White Sox, Rockies, Cardinals and Cubs, Miles is a .282 career hitter with a .322 on-base percentage.

Taveras, who missed several games with various injuries, became more expendable once prospect Drew Stubbs reached the Majors in August. Taveras can only play center field and would have been of limited use from the bench.

Rosales, 26, batted .213 with four homers and 19 RBIs in 87 games during his rookie season. Known for his enthusiasm and hustle, he just spent the weekend with manager Dusty Baker as part of a Reds Winter Caravan tour.

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Thoughts? I hated Taveras, but really liked Rosales.

Starscream · 02-01-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin

02/01/10 1

0 PM EST
Reds acquire Miles in four-player deal
Taveras dealt to A's but then designated for assignment

By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com
CINCINNATI -- The Reds acquired infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later from the A's on Monday for center fielder Willy Taveras and infielder Adam Rosales.

Taveras was promptly designated for assignment by Oakland.

The move followed an unsuccessful season in Cincinnati for Taveras, who was due to make $4 million in 2010, the final season of a two-year contract. In 102 games, he batted .240 with a .275 on-base percentage and 25 steals as the Reds' leadoff hitter.

Miles was also a disappointment in 2009 after he signed a two-year contract with the Cubs. He batted .185 in 74 games. The 33-year-old is due to make $2.7 million this season.

Over his seven big league seasons with the White Sox, Rockies, Cardinals and Cubs, Miles is a .282 career hitter with a .322 on-base percentage.

Taveras, who missed several games with various injuries, became more expendable once prospect Drew Stubbs reached the Majors in August. Taveras can only play center field and would have been of limited use from the bench.

Rosales, 26, batted .213 with four homers and 19 RBIs in 87 games during his rookie season. Known for his enthusiasm and hustle, he just spent the weekend with manager Dusty Baker as part of a Reds Winter Caravan tour.

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Thoughts? I hated Taveras, but really liked Rosales.

This sounds like the stupidest move of the offseason. They should have just cut Taveras loose and let Stubbs take over. I hate to see Rosales go. He has the hustle and dedication to one day be a great player (although we have too many soon-to-bes right now). What position is Miles going to play? Infield positions are filled. Rolen, Cabrera, Phillips, and Votto.

We traded a great prospect for trash?

smitdavi · 02-01-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

This sounds like the stupidest move of the offseason. They should have just cut Taveras loose and let Stubbs take over. I hate to see Rosales go. He has the hustle and dedication to one day be a great player (although we have too many soon-to-bes right now). What position is Miles going to play? Infield positions are filled. Rolen, Cabrera, Phillips, and Votto.

We traded a great prospect for trash?

Scratching my head on that one too Andy.

Starscream · 02-01-2010, 12:30 PM

I get it now. This is a payroll dump which helps pay for Cabrera.

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Olney reports the Reds will save $1.3 million on the deal, which will help offset some of the money they just committed in signing shortstop Orlando Cabrera.

Miles will be used like Janish, a late inning substitute for Cabrera and Rolen. Another utility player. Don't we have enough of these guys?

chippewastud79 · 02-01-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smitdavi

Scratching my head on that one too Andy.

Does any move that the Reds do ever make sense?

01-20-2010, 07:43 AM	#485
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Red's Fans Check in Here's an interesting column about the Reds and arbitration. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...itration+blues __________________ Insert quote here.

01-30-2010, 06:35 PM	#488
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Red's Fans Check in Looks like Orlando Cabrera is going to be our starting SS this year. Janish is a better fielder but he doesn't have the bat. Cabrera is error prone, more than EE was when he played for us. I say fugg 'em both and call up Frazier. Decent fielder and a decent bat. It won't happen, but here's what I'd like to see as our 2010 starting lineup: 1. Dickerson CF 2. Frazier SS 3. Votto LF 4. Phillips 2B 5. Bruce RF 6. Rolen 3B 7. Alonso 1B 8. Hernandez C Yeah, I know Votto should be on first, but we can't just let Yonder Alonso rot down in Carolina and Louisville. He's too good to be held back. If Dunn can play LF, then Votto can surely hold his own out there. __________________ Insert quote here.

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chippewastud79 Fatter than you! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Larry Location: A little place called home. Posts: 5,397 Trading: (44)	Re: Red's Fans Check in The thing that scares me about kids from Triple-A is they don't develop there for some reason. Prime example is Homer Bailey, they throw the kid to the wolves in the big show and he gets eaten alive. Its like they never teach them anything on their way through the system and by the time they are forced to the top they aren't ready. __________________ If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then how come they're made of meat? You can never have too many cigars, they are like an investment in good times.

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smitdavi Ambassador of Quan Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: David Location: Bloomington, IN Posts: 1,434 Trading: (9)	Re: Red's Fans Check in Looks like we could have a pretty damn good infield this year with the addition of Cabrera

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elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,508 Trading: (133)	Re: Red's Fans Check in http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin 02/01/10 10 PM EST Reds acquire Miles in four-player deal Taveras dealt to A's but then designated for assignment By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com CINCINNATI -- The Reds acquired infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later from the A's on Monday for center fielder Willy Taveras and infielder Adam Rosales. Taveras was promptly designated for assignment by Oakland. The move followed an unsuccessful season in Cincinnati for Taveras, who was due to make $4 million in 2010, the final season of a two-year contract. In 102 games, he batted .240 with a .275 on-base percentage and 25 steals as the Reds' leadoff hitter. Miles was also a disappointment in 2009 after he signed a two-year contract with the Cubs. He batted .185 in 74 games. The 33-year-old is due to make $2.7 million this season. Over his seven big league seasons with the White Sox, Rockies, Cardinals and Cubs, Miles is a .282 career hitter with a .322 on-base percentage. Taveras, who missed several games with various injuries, became more expendable once prospect Drew Stubbs reached the Majors in August. Taveras can only play center field and would have been of limited use from the bench. Rosales, 26, batted .213 with four homers and 19 RBIs in 87 games during his rookie season. Known for his enthusiasm and hustle, he just spent the weekend with manager Dusty Baker as part of a Reds Winter Caravan tour. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thoughts? I hated Taveras, but really liked Rosales.