MLB 2013 Thread - Page 25

billybarue · 10-18-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 357

This "neighborhood" crap at 2nd base has to get fixed. I'm against it in all cases, even for my team. Are outs called anywhere else in baseball for being close? There is no justification for this that I can stomach. It's all

Are 1st downs granted in the NFL for being close enough to 10 yards from the line of scrimmage?

Couldn't agree more!

The only justification that is plausible is to eliminate hard/high slides, or just going into 2nd hard, to break up the DP. Sorry, but I don't buy that one either. It's part of the game that has been eliminated. When's the last time you saw someone "really" try to break up a DP. I'm surprised they haven't figured out how to prevent someone going hard into the catcher (ala, Buster Posey).

Are baseball players too frail or fragile today? Wideouts/Tight Ends still have to go across the middle and in hockey you still have to go into the corner for the puck. But I guess baseball is comfortable with where the sport has gone - pitching and home runs. Not much "small ball" played at the MLB level anymore.

AdamJoshua · 10-18-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billybarue

Couldn't agree more!

The only justification that is plausible is to eliminate hard/high slides, or just going into 2nd hard, to break up the DP. Sorry, but I don't buy that one either. It's part of the game that has been eliminated. When's the last time you saw someone "really" try to break up a DP. I'm surprised they haven't figured out how to prevent someone going hard into the catcher (ala, Buster Posey).

Are baseball players too frail or fragile today? Wideouts/Tight Ends still have to go across the middle and in hockey you still have to go into the corner for the puck. But I guess baseball is comfortable with where the sport has gone - pitching and home runs. Not much "small ball" played at the MLB level anymore.

I think having people slide in spikes first running as fast as they can does justify a bit of a judgement call on the umps part, don't care who the teams are.

357 · 10-18-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

I think having people slide in spikes first running as fast as they can does justify a bit of a judgement call on the umps part, don't care who the teams are.

WAHHHHH.

It still happens despite this neighborhood crap. Players get injured trying to complete or breakup double plays all the time. It's part of the game. Leave it alone and get rid of this "you dont' REALLY have to actually touch the base while you have the ball to get an out" interpretation of the rule. It's fundamental to the game.

NFL teams dont' get a first down for 29ft from scrimmage do they? Do they count hitting the goal post as a goal in the NHL? It's insane to me they way it's handled now.

pnoon · 10-18-2013, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 357

This "neighborhood" crap at 2nd base has to get fixed. I'm against it in all cases, even for my team. Are outs called anywhere else in baseball for being close? There is no justification for this that I can stomach. It's all

Are 1st downs granted in the NFL for being close enough to 10 yards from the line of scrimmage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybarue

Couldn't agree more!

The only justification that is plausible is to eliminate hard/high slides, or just going into 2nd hard, to break up the DP. Sorry, but I don't buy that one either. It's part of the game that has been eliminated. When's the last time you saw someone "really" try to break up a DP. I'm surprised they haven't figured out how to prevent someone going hard into the catcher (ala, Buster Posey).

Are baseball players too frail or fragile today? Wideouts/Tight Ends still have to go across the middle and in hockey you still have to go into the corner for the puck. But I guess baseball is comfortable with where the sport has gone - pitching and home runs. Not much "small ball" played at the MLB level anymore.

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Originally Posted by 357

It still happens despite this neighborhood crap. Players get injured trying to complete or breakup double plays all the time. It's part of the game. Leave it alone and get rid of this "you dont' REALLY have to actually touch the base while you have the ball to get an out" interpretation of the rule. It's fundamental to the game.

NFL teams dont' get a first down for 29ft from scrimmage do they? Do they count hitting the goal post as a goal in the NHL? It's insane to me they way it's handled now.

I guess to balance things out Bud Selig (the great innovator and caretaker of MLB

) will propose a rule change that will make all fly balls caught on the warning track a super-grand-slam home run worth 5 runs.

AdamJoshua · 10-18-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

I guess to balance things out Bud Selig (the great innovator and caretaker of MLB

) will propose a rule change that will make all fly balls caught on the warning track a super-grand-slam home run worth 5 runs.

I only agree with this rule if it applies to David Ortiz ... oh and what the hell Tom Brady in the case of backyard whiffle ball

billybarue · 10-18-2013, 01:46 PM

357 said guys are getting injured all the time completing or breaking up DP's at 2nd. Admittedly, I don't watch much baseball anymore but I don't think that happens much anymore. I mean really going hard into the shortstop. Hell, you really can't - the shortstop is almost in right field before he throws the ball to first.

Gotta go in spikes first Peter, unless you mandate head first (Pete Rose) slides into double plays. The only point I draw the line is where maniacs like Ty Cobb would literally sharpen his spikes to intimidate others. And apparently, it wasn't just bravado - he really went in to rip guys up and hurt them. Great player, but POS human being.

357 · 10-18-2013, 03:23 PM

Yes the Ty Cobb style slides (trying to injure) are not common, but guys frequently slide into defensive players to break up double-plays. It happened on the play I was complaining about. Nobody was hurt THAT time but it happens a lot I'm sure given 162 games/year.

I Googled "injured breaking up double play" and there's 5 players mentioned on the first page, no incident older than 2012.

Here's Jacoby Ellsbury this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWV7uRtmk0c

According to this http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...42700&c_id=mlb all the player has to do is make an attempt to touch 2B when breaking up a double play.

I suggest a comprimise of sorts. It should be legal to break up the play but if you don't touch the base, you should be ejected. AND, the defensive player would actually have to touch the base and the basesball at the same time, EVERYTIME!!!! This way you would eliminate or strongly discourage going way outside the basepath to injure someone while preserving the fundamentals/integrity of the game.

10-18-2013, 03:38 PM

Jose freaking Abreu

357 · 10-18-2013, 04:37 PM

Good to "see" you Nate.

10-18-2013, 05:53 PM

You too Mike, maybe my Sox can be more of a challenge for your Tigers next year

doubt it though

10-19-2013, 11:57 AM

Can't wait to see this kid next year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP2PrTvnk3U

AdamJoshua · 10-20-2013, 01:20 AM

CigarSquid · 10-20-2013, 09:41 AM

If it is really about player safety, then why can a runner barrel into home plate, no intention at all to hit the plate, but rock the catchers world?

AdamJoshua · 10-20-2013, 10:48 AM

Catcher has a little more protection than say a second baseman. Also this is all about second and breaking up the double play, at least that's the excuse, it's really the only time it happens.

CigarSquid · 10-20-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Catcher has a little more protection than say a second baseman. Also this is all about second and breaking up the double play, at least that's the excuse, it's really the only time it happens.

Protection? That catcher gear helps getting a shoulder to your ribs? Sin guards help your knees?

They get hit just as hard, are like a defenseless receiver at that point. More then nit, the catcher has very little time to brace.. plus he is kneeling down while the runner is diving right at him.

10-20-2013, 11:44 AM

Oh dear Lord please don't change mlb like nfl and nba. The changes are said to be for the players protection, that is bull$hit.

Bruins Fan · 10-20-2013, 01:44 PM

If it's a bang....bang play the fielder gets it.

If it is booted,bobbled or a bad throw then it is looked at very close and called accordingly.

That is the way it has been called forever for all teams.

AdamJoshua · 10-20-2013, 01:44 PM

Edit: NM go back to whaaaaa

You wanna ***** and complain complain about Joe West's every changing strike zone lol

icehog3 · 10-21-2013, 11:48 PM

OK, I guess we can close this thread up now and start the 2014 thread.

CigarSquid · 10-21-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

OK, I guess we can close this thread up now and start the 2014 thread.

I was ready a week ago.

10-18-2013, 01:46 PM	#486
billybarue Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 226 Trading: (5)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread 357 said guys are getting injured all the time completing or breaking up DP's at 2nd. Admittedly, I don't watch much baseball anymore but I don't think that happens much anymore. I mean really going hard into the shortstop. Hell, you really can't - the shortstop is almost in right field before he throws the ball to first. Gotta go in spikes first Peter, unless you mandate head first (Pete Rose) slides into double plays. The only point I draw the line is where maniacs like Ty Cobb would literally sharpen his spikes to intimidate others. And apparently, it wasn't just bravado - he really went in to rip guys up and hurt them. Great player, but POS human being. __________________ "A Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." --- Thucydides

10-18-2013, 03:23 PM	#487
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Yes the Ty Cobb style slides (trying to injure) are not common, but guys frequently slide into defensive players to break up double-plays. It happened on the play I was complaining about. Nobody was hurt THAT time but it happens a lot I'm sure given 162 games/year. I Googled "injured breaking up double play" and there's 5 players mentioned on the first page, no incident older than 2012. Here's Jacoby Ellsbury this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWV7uRtmk0c According to this http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...42700&c_id=mlb all the player has to do is make an attempt to touch 2B when breaking up a double play. I suggest a comprimise of sorts. It should be legal to break up the play but if you don't touch the base, you should be ejected. AND, the defensive player would actually have to touch the base and the basesball at the same time, EVERYTIME!!!! This way you would eliminate or strongly discourage going way outside the basepath to injure someone while preserving the fundamentals/integrity of the game. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

10-18-2013, 03:38 PM	#488
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Jose freaking Abreu

10-18-2013, 04:37 PM	#489
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Good to "see" you Nate. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

10-18-2013, 05:53 PM	#490
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MLB 2013 Thread You too Mike, maybe my Sox can be more of a challenge for your Tigers next year doubt it though

10-19-2013, 11:57 AM	#491
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Can't wait to see this kid next year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP2PrTvnk3U

10-20-2013, 01:20 AM	#492
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10-20-2013, 09:41 AM	#493
CigarSquid AKA Garryyjr Join Date: Apr 2011 First Name: Garry Location: Medford, OR - Cigar Zombie Posts: 3,213 Trading: (39)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread If it is really about player safety, then why can a runner barrel into home plate, no intention at all to hit the plate, but rock the catchers world? __________________ gaRRy

10-20-2013, 10:48 AM	#494
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Catcher has a little more protection than say a second baseman. Also this is all about second and breaking up the double play, at least that's the excuse, it's really the only time it happens.

10-20-2013, 11:44 AM	#496
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Oh dear Lord please don't change mlb like nfl and nba. The changes are said to be for the players protection, that is bull$hit.

10-20-2013, 01:44 PM	#497
Bruins Fan Hooper drives the boat. Join Date: May 2009 First Name: John Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,359 Trading: (0)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread If it's a bang....bang play the fielder gets it. If it is booted,bobbled or a bad throw then it is looked at very close and called accordingly. That is the way it has been called forever for all teams. __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

10-20-2013, 01:44 PM	#498
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread Edit: NM go back to whaaaaa You wanna ***** and complain complain about Joe West's every changing strike zone lol Last edited by AdamJoshua; 10-20-2013 at 01:49 PM.

10-21-2013, 11:48 PM	#499
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,261 Trading: (60)	Re: MLB 2013 Thread OK, I guess we can close this thread up now and start the 2014 thread. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!