What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to fight it - Page 2

D_A · 12-30-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dannysguitar

This is interesting. The Blues I got from Joe were all great IMO. Maybe I'm a little too anti-conspiracy theory to buy into this

....

I agree with the majority of the points made, and it has been a very long time since I've bitten on a Joe deal. I find it hard to believe that Eddie, Erik, or Pepin would let discards leave the factory though. Everything I've ever gotten out of the CI warehouse, whether from Joe, normal CI orders, cigar.com, or cigarbid has been shipped extremely wet, but once brought down to 65% or so has been fine.

Lucky_Hippo · 12-30-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_A

I agree with the majority of the points made, and it has been a very long time since I've bitten on a Joe deal. I find it hard to believe that Eddie, Erik, or Pepin would let discards leave the factory though. Everything I've ever gotten out of the CI warehouse, whether from Joe, normal CI orders, cigar.com, or cigarbid has been shipped extremely wet, but once brought down to 65% or so has been fine.

Without a source verifying that Joe's smokes are actually "bad batches of an existing name" I really can't agree. I do however agree they are shipped too wet for my personal taste. I just let them hang out in the humi for a week or two and they smoke fine. I have to do the same for the cigars I pick up from the local B&M so it's not a big deal for me.

Drazzil · 12-30-2008, 03:05 PM

It's funny you should menton that. I think I overheard someone complaining about a batch of 601 Reds, and believe hearing Pete Johnson say "From CI?"

Now I still have the 601's I got a year and a half ago from Joe Cigar, because right out of the box they tasted like ass. I recently tried another two, and they are indeed okay smokes now, my friends seem to rave about them, HOWEVER I think the 601 reds I get from the cigar shop are a lot smoother.

So, I draw my conclusions from that.

Drazzil · 12-30-2008, 03:17 PM

One last thing I wanted to post on this subject is this:

Cigars International has a money back gurantee. Dont be afraid to send that sh-t back to the foul besmirched bunghole from which it came. If you call and complain, not only will they refund your money, they will pay for the shipping. If you get fooled by Joe or CI and dont like something, send it back.

I've started doing this myself and I've saved lots of money that I would otherwise have lost to Joe or another cigar company. If the cigar is bad, dont be afraid to tell CI or Holts or Famous about it.

Dont just hang onto em for years like I did, letting em clog up the humidor until you finally decide to gift them to neighbors or friends who won't know the difference.

12-30-2008, 03:36 PM

I've never had anything but great experiences from the CI staff and their customer service is excellent. I'm not sure what your motivation is to post this nor how you can be so sure that they're selling sub-par product, if not factory seconds. Hope you've never purchased anything on CigarBid, cause that's CI, too. No matter if you think Joe's prices are a rip-off or not, the fact of the matter is, you'll never find a cheaper price on the cigars he's selling when comparing apples to apples. Ever. Just thought I'd add my

during the Joecigar.com bashing session.

Jason

longknocker · 12-30-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_A

I agree with the majority of the points made, and it has been a very long time since I've bitten on a Joe deal. I find it hard to believe that Eddie, Erik, or Pepin would let discards leave the factory though. Everything I've ever gotten out of the CI warehouse, whether from Joe, normal CI orders, cigar.com, or cigarbid has been shipped extremely wet, but once brought down to 65% or so has been fine.

I agree!

I buy 90% of my smokes from CI and have never had a problem. I do let my sticks rest at least a month before smoking, though. Thanks for the advice & heads up!

Drazzil · 12-30-2008, 03:52 PM

I am not really bashing Joe, just pointing out a few opinions I have on some of the sales tactics that he has. Dont get me wrong, I love me some Joe. As pissed as I get at Joe, I still love him like a brother... I just hide the silverware and lock up the small valuable things whenever he comes over.

12-30-2008, 03:55 PM

Thanks for the post bro,something to keep in the back of my mind when and if i go through Joe!

Drazzil · 12-30-2008, 03:57 PM

I love that avatar man. I've always been a fan of monopoly.

sikk50 · 12-30-2008, 05:42 PM

Good read, very eye opening

stitch · 12-30-2008, 05:51 PM

I NEVER order from CI ... They are the King of Sh@# Sticks IMHO

taltos · 12-30-2008, 06:16 PM

I will agree that much of what Joe and CI ship needs to dry out for a while before smoking but I will not accept that they are selling seconds or rejects as first quality smokes. CI is too large a vendor and has too much to lose if these points were ever proven. I remember when as a group we were much more careful about calling out a vendor in a manner such as the first post.

12-30-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neoflex

...I think Tobii and and few others and I discussed this at a herf once too so at least I know I was not in the boat alone. Good to see there are others who feel the same....

AMEN BRUDDA!!!!

I have bought many MANY of the Joe deals....and I'll be damned if there wasn't something fishy going on....we talked about this for a while, even pulling sticks out and comparing them to a stick fresh out of a box.....maybe it's a conspiracy...I don't know...but what I do know....

Between the Torano and JdNA sticks most recently, BOTH were FLAT.....the Toranos didn't even look similar....scary thought really.....but my JdNA's were baffling.....I'm a big face melter fan...and JdNA's don't go on sale very often..when they do, you jump.....these Consuls were duds....not that you can complain from Iraq, but they were a a FAR cry from the ones I had on hand when I deployed.....

Asher · 12-30-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drazzil

1. "I move factory disgarded batches" and "My stuff is shipped green"

Sadly, a lot of the big names that appear on Joe (even the good deals) are most likely bad batches of an existing name.

Just my

, but unless you have some facts to back this up, it's not cool to slam a vendor (and the manufacturers supplying these cigars) with an accusation like this. Some of the joecigar's deals are good, some aren't, and handmade premium cigars will never be completely consistent. To claim that CI, DPG, and others would compromise their reputations by selling second-quality products as "firsts" requires solid evidence, not just an anecdotal report of one box of cigars tasting different than another box.

12-30-2008, 07:29 PM

Very interesting post

12-30-2008, 07:42 PM

I don't feel you are bashing Joe at all. I have found while doing the math that you are right and instead of buying a box I can get the 10 for less sometimes. That happened to me with some Gurkha Titans and I always compare pricing from boxes all the way down to singles and then see if a sale is really a sale. As far as having a cigar order that didn't taste like it is supposed to, I haven't had a problem with CI.

okieRob · 12-30-2008, 08:09 PM

Thanks for the tip. I'm enough of a noob that I would have thought I didn't care for the brand I ordered rather than suspecting what you have pointed out.

- Rob

weak_link · 12-30-2008, 08:15 PM

I don't order from the joe deals very often but I've had pretty good luck, no complaints from me.

SmokinApe · 12-30-2008, 08:20 PM

"To claim that CI, DPG, and others would compromise their reputations by selling second-quality products as "firsts" requires solid evidence, not just an anecdotal report of one box of cigars tasting different than another box."

All I am saying is that when the DPG cigars that get sold on joe come in unsorted bundles, some coal black others light tan. I do believe that when the boxes are sorted the leftover gets celo'd & bundled and sent to the bulk discount retailers... all businesses work this way, why would cigars be different? I have bought numerous boxes of DPG JJ natural and maduro, blues and blacks... I have also bought all of these brands multiple times from joe, they have been different... flaky and papery wrappers, goofy coloring, too spicy, not spicy enough etc... I am not saying they are bad or not worth it, but they are different some of the time...

bilkay · 12-30-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannysguitar

This is interesting. The Blues I got from Joe were all great IMO. Maybe I'm a little too anti-conspiracy theory to buy into this

....

I've bought several of the Pepin deals from CI. I've also bought a lot of boxes of Pepin cigars. Um, same smokes.

12-30-2008, 03:05 PM	#23
Drazzil Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: David Location: Boozetown Posts: 355 Trading: (31)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh It's funny you should menton that. I think I overheard someone complaining about a batch of 601 Reds, and believe hearing Pete Johnson say "From CI?" Now I still have the 601's I got a year and a half ago from Joe Cigar, because right out of the box they tasted like ass. I recently tried another two, and they are indeed okay smokes now, my friends seem to rave about them, HOWEVER I think the 601 reds I get from the cigar shop are a lot smoother. So, I draw my conclusions from that.

12-30-2008, 03:17 PM	#24
Drazzil Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: David Location: Boozetown Posts: 355 Trading: (31)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you One last thing I wanted to post on this subject is this: Cigars International has a money back gurantee. Dont be afraid to send that sh-t back to the foul besmirched bunghole from which it came. If you call and complain, not only will they refund your money, they will pay for the shipping. If you get fooled by Joe or CI and dont like something, send it back. I've started doing this myself and I've saved lots of money that I would otherwise have lost to Joe or another cigar company. If the cigar is bad, dont be afraid to tell CI or Holts or Famous about it. Dont just hang onto em for years like I did, letting em clog up the humidor until you finally decide to gift them to neighbors or friends who won't know the difference.

12-30-2008, 03:36 PM	#25
auburnfan1980 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I've never had anything but great experiences from the CI staff and their customer service is excellent. I'm not sure what your motivation is to post this nor how you can be so sure that they're selling sub-par product, if not factory seconds. Hope you've never purchased anything on CigarBid, cause that's CI, too. No matter if you think Joe's prices are a rip-off or not, the fact of the matter is, you'll never find a cheaper price on the cigars he's selling when comparing apples to apples. Ever. Just thought I'd add my during the Joecigar.com bashing session. Jason

12-30-2008, 03:52 PM	#27
Drazzil Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: David Location: Boozetown Posts: 355 Trading: (31)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you I am not really bashing Joe, just pointing out a few opinions I have on some of the sales tactics that he has. Dont get me wrong, I love me some Joe. As pissed as I get at Joe, I still love him like a brother... I just hide the silverware and lock up the small valuable things whenever he comes over.

12-30-2008, 03:55 PM	#28
Paint Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh Thanks for the post bro,something to keep in the back of my mind when and if i go through Joe!

12-30-2008, 03:57 PM	#29
Drazzil Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: David Location: Boozetown Posts: 355 Trading: (31)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I love that avatar man. I've always been a fan of monopoly.

12-30-2008, 05:42 PM	#30
sikk50 Just Bored Really... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The Jefferson State Posts: 2,084 Trading: (13)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh Good read, very eye opening __________________ "Not a Headache in a Hogshead"

12-30-2008, 05:51 PM	#31
stitch Saddle Maker And Cowboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Diamond K Ranch Posts: 720 Trading: (34)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I NEVER order from CI ... They are the King of Sh@# Sticks IMHO __________________ Cowboy Wisdom: Ifin' ya get to thinkin yourself a might bit important, Try tellin someone else's dog what to do.

12-30-2008, 06:16 PM	#32
taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I will agree that much of what Joe and CI ship needs to dry out for a while before smoking but I will not accept that they are selling seconds or rejects as first quality smokes. CI is too large a vendor and has too much to lose if these points were ever proven. I remember when as a group we were much more careful about calling out a vendor in a manner such as the first post.

12-30-2008, 07:29 PM	#35
smokinj Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh Very interesting post

12-30-2008, 07:42 PM	#36
Cigary Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I don't feel you are bashing Joe at all. I have found while doing the math that you are right and instead of buying a box I can get the 10 for less sometimes. That happened to me with some Gurkha Titans and I always compare pricing from boxes all the way down to singles and then see if a sale is really a sale. As far as having a cigar order that didn't taste like it is supposed to, I haven't had a problem with CI.

12-30-2008, 08:09 PM	#37
okieRob Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: I'm not telling Location: The Land in the Middle Posts: 153 Trading: (6)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh Thanks for the tip. I'm enough of a noob that I would have thought I didn't care for the brand I ordered rather than suspecting what you have pointed out. - Rob

12-30-2008, 08:15 PM	#38
weak_link The Stranger Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Eric Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,263 Trading: (1)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh I don't order from the joe deals very often but I've had pretty good luck, no complaints from me.

12-30-2008, 08:20 PM	#39
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: What Joe Cigar won't tell you, and how to figh "To claim that CI, DPG, and others would compromise their reputations by selling second-quality products as "firsts" requires solid evidence, not just an anecdotal report of one box of cigars tasting different than another box." All I am saying is that when the DPG cigars that get sold on joe come in unsorted bundles, some coal black others light tan. I do believe that when the boxes are sorted the leftover gets celo'd & bundled and sent to the bulk discount retailers... all businesses work this way, why would cigars be different? I have bought numerous boxes of DPG JJ natural and maduro, blues and blacks... I have also bought all of these brands multiple times from joe, they have been different... flaky and papery wrappers, goofy coloring, too spicy, not spicy enough etc... I am not saying they are bad or not worth it, but they are different some of the time...