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A bail out as it sits is one big money pit if they dont restructure then to heck with them if the UAW is unwilling well get rid of them.
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What is important to keep in mind, IMO, is that this a problem with further reaching impact than just the assebley line employees of Ford or GM. The tire manufactures, seat belts, air filters, nuts and bolts, salesmen, rental fleet companies...the list goes on and on. All of those companies and their employees would be effected by even one of the major automobile manufactures going under.
I want to be clear that I am not in favor of a "blank check" for the big three. There has to be some kind of restructuring. I read that the average per/hour pay for a Ford employee is something like $70. And the average per/hour pay for a Toyota employee is something like $35. And I would be so bold as to say that many people would say that Toyota makes a superior vehicle. It seems pretty short sighted that people are not willing to give up a slice of the bread to be able to keep the rest of the loaf. What it comes down to, to drastically over simplify things, is whether "we" (the royal we) bail out the auto industry now by restructuring the companies and turning them into something that is financially viable and continues to employ thousands of American workers or let the companies go under and put those thousands of workers out of work. And I would have to imagine that a large majority of those workers would need support from the government, in the form of unemployment or welfare or whatever. The end result is going to be the same, money out of the goverment till. But one path to that is constructive. One is not. All the "they F**Ked up" talk is totally accurate. Bad decisions were made that impacted the company. But that is done and no amount of finger pointing is going to solve the problem. The only thing to do is look forward and figure out a fix. My ![]() |
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and how many billions were used to bail out freddie and fannie
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Let them go down. What good will it do to bail them out? Will they restructure their business? Who knows.
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I will never ever buy an American made car. I am sick and tired of CEO's that make a **** load of money while they make crappy ass cars and then have the balls to ask for money to help their asses. Maybe if they actually made cars that were decent and didnt have salaires that could buy a small country, they wouldnt be in this mess. You don't see great car makers such as Audi, BMW, or Mercedes having problems.
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I'm a little foggy on all the facts, but I understood this to be a low interest LOAN that the automakers will pay back. How, I don't know as less and less people seem to want to drive American cars.
I'm hypocritical as I frown on Japanese motorcycles, but have 2 Japanese automobiles in my garage that are leased and will be traded in for more Japanese cars when the lease is up. Last Ford I had blew through 3 trannies before hitting 100k miles. My Japanese trucks and wife's car never need more than an oil change.
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The big three need to decide what is more important to them staying in business or restructure like lower wages better cars. Thats all |
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