Fake Cohiba? - Page 2

markem · 11-14-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by N2 GOLD

I personally DON'T buy Cohiba anything for this exact reason. It doesn't matter what country you are in, with the exception of Cuba 99% Cohibas are fake.

So, you are saying that SA Habanos is 1% of the Cohiba market? Remember that most in Cuba cannot afford a Cohiba and there are fakes even there.

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 02:26 PM

I'm sure he meant it offhandedly, and not honestly meaning 1/100 are real.. But I can't speak for the man.. It's up to him to say what he actually meant.

Sonic04GT · 11-15-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I'm sure he meant it offhandedly, and not honestly meaning 1/100 are real.. But I can't speak for the man.. It's up to him to say what he actually meant.

That's what I got out of it. I've noticed many folks around here take things very literally and seriously.

icehog3 · 11-14-2012, 03:34 PM

I have smoked 200 Cohibas....glad to know that 2 of them were likely real.

icehog3 · 11-14-2012, 03:59 PM

No worries, Rico, my feathers are firmly in place.

pnoon · 11-14-2012, 04:29 PM

I'm with Tom, Rio. My feathers aren't ruffled. And I don't think I or anyone else had issue with your statement that you personally don't buy Cohiba. Your second statement (claim) is what I/we think is BS.

T.G · 11-14-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

I'm with Tom, Rio. My feathers aren't ruffled. And I don't think I or anyone else had issue with your statement that you personally don't buy Cohiba. Your second statement (claim) is what I/we think is BS.

My sentiments & feelings exactly.

11-14-2012, 04:35 PM

I have nothing to add to this... other then it is helpful to read these threads as a noob and learn what to look for when judging the authenticity of a CC.

AlohaStyle · 11-14-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

it is helpful to read these threads as a noob and learn what to look for when judging the authenticity of a CC.

Correct and now back to the topic... the only glass that should come with a cuban cigar is one that is full of rum.

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 04:53 PM

I hear you Rico; personally: I don't buy Cohiba's either.

They are probably amazing smokes, but sadly I'll never know unless I wind up getting one in a sampler or something to that effect. My local B&M's start them off at $20, and for that price I can get 2 very decent cigars -- Hell I believe they have a Padron Anny around the same price range.

I'd love to try a Cohiba -- The only one I've smoked was a fake, and I knew it was a fake, but I took one for the team so I knew what fakes tasted like.

bobarian · 11-14-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I hear you Rico; personally: I don't buy Cohiba's either.

They are probably amazing smokes, but sadly I'll never know unless I wind up getting one in a sampler or something to that effect. My local B&M's start them off at $20, and for that price I can get 2 very decent cigars -- Hell I believe they have a Padron Anny around the same price range.

I'd love to try a Cohiba -- The only one I've smoked was a fake, and I knew it was a fake, but I took one for the team so I knew what fakes tasted like.

I'm sorry, but it is very doubtful your local shop is claiming to sell Cuban cigars. And while Dominican Cohiba's are authentic, they are hardly a part of this conversation.

Porch Dweller · 11-14-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I hear you Rico; personally: I don't buy Cohiba's either.

They are probably amazing smokes, but sadly I'll never know unless I wind up getting one in a sampler or something to that effect. My local B&M's start them off at $20, and for that price I can get 2 very decent cigars -- Hell I believe they have a Padron Anny around the same price range.

I'd love to try a Cohiba -- The only one I've smoked was a fake, and I knew it was a fake, but I took one for the team so I knew what fakes tasted like.

I've had a handful of CC Cohibas and they were amongst the best things I've ever smoked. I've had about 15 NC Cohibas and while good, IMO they're overpriced. I've smoked much better cigars at half the cost. IMO the price of the NCs is in a large part based off of the name on the band.

11-14-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Porch Dweller

I've had a handful of CC Cohibas and they were amongst the best things I've ever smoked. I've had about 15 NC Cohibas and while good, IMO they're overpriced. I've smoked much better cigars at half the cost. IMO the price of the NCs is in a large part based off of the name on the band.

Being as I have never had the real deal... can anyone speak as to weather they are better then the HdM CC's? I like the NC Cohiba's but I LOVE HC HdM's... So I was thinking about trying to make a CC HdM my first CC... but everyone talks about the CC Cohiba so I have no idea as to which I should be hunting for...

Thoughts?

icehog3 · 11-14-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

can anyone speak as to weather they are better then the HdM CC's? I like the NC Cohiba's but I LOVE HC HdM's... So I was thinking about trying to make a CC HdM my first CC... but everyone talks about the CC Cohiba so I have no idea as to which I should be hunting for...

Thoughts?

No one can with certainty, because it is all a matter of personal taste.

I don't care for HdMs at all, with the exception of the "du" lines.

I like Cohibas a lot.

Does that mean Cohibas are better than HdMs?

Maybe for me, but not for everyone else.

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 05:10 PM

I was speaking specifically about Non-Cubans when referring to buying them from a store. My buddy had a fake DR Cohiba to top it all off. I realize this thread was about the CC counter-part, and even Rico was talking specifically about CCs being fake.. I'm speaking about them in general. I know they are different species all together, the NC vs CC.. I just don't think I can justify owning either at this point in my life.

Trust me, if the shop I frequented tried selling me a "Cuban", I'd walk out and never return.

T.G · 11-14-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iaMkcK

I was speaking specifically about Non-Cubans when referring to buying them from a store. My buddy had a fake DR Cohiba to top it all off. I realize this thread was about the CC counter-part, and even Rico was talking specifically about CCs being fake.. I'm speaking about them in general. I know they are different species all together, the NC vs CC.. I just don't think I can justify owning either at this point in my life.

Trust me, if the shop I frequented tried selling me a "Cuban", I'd walk out and never return.

Could you describe the band on the possible fake one that your friend received? It might not actually be a fake DR Cohiba as there used to be another company distributing cigars in the US under the Cohiba name until General Cigar won their infringement lawsuit against them.

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Could you describe the band on the possible fake one that your friend received? It might not actually be a fake DR Cohiba as there used to be another company distributing cigars in the US under the Cohiba name until General Cigar won their infringement lawsuit against them.

It was in a Glass Top Dominican Republic EL box. The band was the typical Cuban Cohiba band, but it said Dominican Republic. It was also of the Candela-esque in color. I have the band laying around. I'll take a snap of it later. I didn't want to take a picture in front of my buddy of the cigar, because he was adamant about it being authentic -- but I kept the band for comedy sake.. It was had for $8 at a local shop that he refused to reveal because he wanted to have some kind of.. I don't know.. "Advantage" over me in the cigar world.

11-14-2012, 06:41 PM

CC or NC... Cohiba's... in my most humble of opinions... are priced prohibitively high... when you throw in the fact that they are also the most counterfeited brand... It makes me even more cautious about buying them...

The NC's I had were good... some were even great... but I got them as gifts or in a sampler... I have been interested in acquiring one from the island... but with my noob-ness I am almost sure I would end up with something fake... It is very helpful when you CC aficionados talk about the specific trademarks that let you know it is real... (like the only 3 dots or the non glass boxes) are there any other "red flags" that let you know your being scammed?

bobarian · 11-14-2012, 06:48 PM

I have never seen any evidence that Dominican Cohiba's are being faked. That is not to say is doesnt happen, but a retailer has very little to gain by selling fakes. I have only heard of Padron and Opus fakes in recent memory.

The only way to know you are purchasing authentic Cuban Cohiba's is to know and trust your vendor.

Cigars can easily be rebanded with authentic labels and packed in legitimate boxes. But a trusted retailer will not risk reputation and future sales to trick a few unsuspecting souls.

iaMkcK · 11-14-2012, 06:57 PM

And here we are:

11-14-2012, 02:26 PM	#2
iaMkcK Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Jarrett Location: SoCal Posts: 570 Trading: (8)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I'm sure he meant it offhandedly, and not honestly meaning 1/100 are real.. But I can't speak for the man.. It's up to him to say what he actually meant.

11-14-2012, 03:34 PM	#4
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,895 Trading: (60)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I have smoked 200 Cohibas....glad to know that 2 of them were likely real. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

11-14-2012, 03:59 PM	#5
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,895 Trading: (60)	Re: Fake Cohiba? No worries, Rico, my feathers are firmly in place. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

11-14-2012, 04:29 PM	#6
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I'm with Tom, Rio. My feathers aren't ruffled. And I don't think I or anyone else had issue with your statement that you personally don't buy Cohiba. Your second statement (claim) is what I/we think is BS. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

11-14-2012, 04:35 PM	#8
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Fake Cohiba? I have nothing to add to this... other then it is helpful to read these threads as a noob and learn what to look for when judging the authenticity of a CC.

11-14-2012, 04:53 PM	#10
iaMkcK Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Jarrett Location: SoCal Posts: 570 Trading: (8)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I hear you Rico; personally: I don't buy Cohiba's either. They are probably amazing smokes, but sadly I'll never know unless I wind up getting one in a sampler or something to that effect. My local B&M's start them off at $20, and for that price I can get 2 very decent cigars -- Hell I believe they have a Padron Anny around the same price range. I'd love to try a Cohiba -- The only one I've smoked was a fake, and I knew it was a fake, but I took one for the team so I knew what fakes tasted like.

11-14-2012, 05:10 PM	#15
iaMkcK Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Jarrett Location: SoCal Posts: 570 Trading: (8)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I was speaking specifically about Non-Cubans when referring to buying them from a store. My buddy had a fake DR Cohiba to top it all off. I realize this thread was about the CC counter-part, and even Rico was talking specifically about CCs being fake.. I'm speaking about them in general. I know they are different species all together, the NC vs CC.. I just don't think I can justify owning either at this point in my life. Trust me, if the shop I frequented tried selling me a "Cuban", I'd walk out and never return. Last edited by iaMkcK; 11-14-2012 at 05:19 PM. Reason: Beefed up my original statement a tad.

11-14-2012, 06:41 PM	#18
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Fake Cohiba? CC or NC... Cohiba's... in my most humble of opinions... are priced prohibitively high... when you throw in the fact that they are also the most counterfeited brand... It makes me even more cautious about buying them... The NC's I had were good... some were even great... but I got them as gifts or in a sampler... I have been interested in acquiring one from the island... but with my noob-ness I am almost sure I would end up with something fake... It is very helpful when you CC aficionados talk about the specific trademarks that let you know it is real... (like the only 3 dots or the non glass boxes) are there any other "red flags" that let you know your being scammed?

11-14-2012, 06:48 PM	#19
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Fake Cohiba? I have never seen any evidence that Dominican Cohiba's are being faked. That is not to say is doesnt happen, but a retailer has very little to gain by selling fakes. I have only heard of Padron and Opus fakes in recent memory. The only way to know you are purchasing authentic Cuban Cohiba's is to know and trust your vendor. Cigars can easily be rebanded with authentic labels and packed in legitimate boxes. But a trusted retailer will not risk reputation and future sales to trick a few unsuspecting souls.

11-14-2012, 06:57 PM	#20
iaMkcK Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Jarrett Location: SoCal Posts: 570 Trading: (8)	Re: Fake Cohiba? And here we are: