Cuban tobacco - Page 2

shilala · 03-09-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by akumushi

I would like to see a blend that combined the rich mouthfeel and taste of Nicaraguan tobacco with the wider aromatic horizons of Cuban leaf, say a Nic Corojo wrapper, Cuban Binder and filler with a bit of Nic Ligero in the filler for some kick. Now that would be a hell of a cigar.

Just the nic wrapper with no ligero would be incredible, I bet. I'd think the ligero would overpower the other filler. It'd sure be awesome to try it, regardless!!!

akumushi · 03-09-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Just the nic wrapper with no ligero would be incredible, I bet. I'd think the ligero would overpower the other filler. It'd sure be awesome to try it, regardless!!!

Hell Scott, just soak and peel the wrapper off a DPG blue and put it on a Siglo VI and you've made that cigar yourself

mithrilG60 · 03-09-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

True but you don't have to buy in Canada.

You do unless you want to risk VERY expensive tariffs/duties/fines being applied by the friendly customs agent to your shipment of chocolate from Switzerland. Especially considering the Swiss have recently changed their shipping guidelines the odds of packages making it through customs and into Canada unaffected are less and less.

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Originally Posted by akumushi

If you're paying $18 for a CAO Brazilia in Canada, it would be more appropriate to simply state that cigars are expensive there, CC or NC. I've spent less than that on a fiver of Brazilia before SCHIP was passed.

Welcome to taxation

This is also the reason why no one in Canada thought that SCHIP was a particularly big deal. Even with the increase in taxation resulting from that bill, the taxes applied to tobacco in the US are still just a very small fraction of what we're dinged with up here.

M1903A1 · 03-09-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Iirc, pre-embargo cc's were nearly all, if not all, made with Connecticut , wrappers.

I've never heard that. I did, however, read a claim once (but only once) that most if not all pre-embargo wrappers were sun-grown instead of shade-grown.

hotreds · 03-09-2010, 02:08 PM

I have been told by several folks that the Cubans are now importing tobacco because they simply don't have enough for all the cigars they produce. Not sure if this is true, but it kinda makes sense. Then again, could just be sour grapes from folks who can't get Cuban cigars.........

poker · 03-09-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

I have been told by several folks that the Cubans are now importing tobacco because they simply don't have enough for all the cigars they produce. Not sure if this is true, but it kinda makes sense. Then again, could just be sour grapes from folks who can't get Cuban cigars.........

I seriously doubt that.

Whynot · 03-09-2010, 02:26 PM

One of the owners of a shop I frequent in Germany has mentioned that they fear that when the US embargo is finally lifted, Europe will no longer be be able to obtain CCs because they will all go to the states.

T.G · 03-09-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

I have been told by several folks that the Cubans are now importing tobacco because they simply don't have enough for all the cigars they produce. Not sure if this is true, but it kinda makes sense. Then again, could just be sour grapes from folks who can't get Cuban cigars.........

That rumor has been floating around for many, many years. It might have some truth to it, or it might not have any. What it is though is often repeated, but there has never been any credible documentation to back it up. I think Rolando Reyes even once claimed in CA that he was selling tobacco to Cuba. Now isn't that just convenient, a non-Cuban cigar manufacturer making a statement subtly degrading Cuban cigars in a periodical that is widely circulated in the country that is the primary source of sales for his cigars, and Cuban cigars are one of his competitors.

It's a good rumor for the NC producers to have out there, but anyone can claim anything, regardless of a lack of proof. It's very unlikely that Cubatabaco is going to file a lawsuit for libel in the US.

Snake Hips · 03-09-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gnbikes

In speaking with several industry insiders, the Cuban blenders are all ready experimenting with "imported" tobaccos. I did not believe it when I heard this the first time, but having it confirmed by people that "used to be" key people in the Cuban cigar industry, I now believe it. So don't be suprised when you see Cuban cigars that are not puros.
Garry

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Originally Posted by hotreds

I have been told by several folks that the Cubans are now importing tobacco because they simply don't have enough for all the cigars they produce. Not sure if this is true, but it kinda makes sense. Then again, could just be sour grapes from folks who can't get Cuban cigars.........

This goofy rumor's been happening for years now. There's no way in Hell Cuba would pay precious money or trade other valuable resources for tobacco they consider inferior. And besides that, there's no evidence whatsoever of tobacco shipments of any kind going into Cuba. And lastly, this rumor always seems to be spread by "people in the industry" who have a vested interest in misleading you and improving the image of their product and detracting from the image of their world competitor, and who aren't necessarily trustworthy just because they "would know" if it was happening. I don't trust anyone who is or is trying to sell me something.

Cuba has enough tobacco for the cigars they produce; this is because their production is limited by the tobacco. They only produce cigars if they can make them. They are preparing for a possible "sudden demand increase" (ahem) by testing and approving new fields for planting, so they do still have a good bit of potential for growth in production. At least that's my interpretation of the information.

NCRadioMan · 03-09-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Hips

And lastly, this rumor always seems to be spread by "people in the industry" who have a vested interest in misleading you and improving the image of their product and detracting from the image of their world competitor, and who aren't necessarily trustworthy just because they "would know" if it was happening. I don't trust anyone who is or is trying to sell me something.

I love hearing this from major companies Reps. That and that if you buy Cuban cigars, at least half the box will be plugged. I just smile and nod my head.

Blueface · 03-09-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Iif you buy Cuban cigars, at least half the box will be plugged. I just smile and nod my head.

Man that pisses me off.
Must be only me that it happens to.

T.G · 03-09-2010, 02:58 PM

I heard that everything that fails drawtest doesn't go back to be reworked, it really goes into a special storage area just waiting for your order to come in.

I'd start airboarding the fish if I were you, they must be in cahoots with the manufacturer and vendors.

NCRadioMan · 03-09-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Man that pisses me off.
Must be only me that it happens to.

Yeah, I always request that I not get the boxes marked "For Carlos in S. Florida".

poker · 03-09-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yeah, I always request that I not get the boxes marked "For Carlos in S. Florida".

LMAO!

Jbailey · 03-09-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yeah, I always request that I not get the boxes marked "For Carlos in S. Florida".

I bet every Carlos in S. Florida has cigars with draw problems.

03-09-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Whynot

One of the owners of a shop I frequent in Germany has mentioned that they fear that when the US embargo is finally lifted, Europe will no longer be be able to obtain CCs because they will all go to the states.

The embargo is not going anywhere.

But if it ever does get lifted, have fun looking for legit cigars, or cigars that are made well for that matter

hotreds · 03-09-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

That rumor has been floating around for many, many years. It might have some truth to it, or it might not have any. What it is though is often repeated, but there has never been any credible documentation to back it up. I think Rolando Reyes even once claimed in CA that he was selling tobacco to Cuba. Now isn't that just convenient, a non-Cuban cigar manufacturer making a statement subtly degrading Cuban cigars in a periodical that is widely circulated in the country that is the primary source of sales for his cigars, and Cuban cigars are one of his competitors.

It's a good rumor for the NC producers to have out there, but anyone can claim anything, regardless of a lack of proof. It's very unlikely that Cubatabaco is going to file a lawsuit for libel in the US.

That is why I take this with a large grain of salt! The other oft-repeated statement I hear is that the Cuban fields have been worked to death, and the quality is now poor. Dunno, but the ones I have had sure do taste good! and they weren't all vintage, either.

Col. Kurtz · 03-09-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

The embargo is not going anywhere.

But if it ever does get lifted, have fun looking for legit cigars, or cigars that are made well for that matter

I agree. Add taxes on top of that and the em-bar-geaux going away would be a terrible thing.

MiamiE · 03-09-2010, 05:22 PM

Honestly I don't want to see the embargo end from a cigar buying point of view. They're a lot cheaper than domestics. Now for the Cuban people, yes I would.

03-10-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Thats not actually a very true statement.

When I saw that statment I was thinking he clearly hadn't been to Mr Rudo or Mr Chens domicile.

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T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Cuban tobacco I heard that everything that fails drawtest doesn't go back to be reworked, it really goes into a special storage area just waiting for your order to come in. I'd start airboarding the fish if I were you, they must be in cahoots with the manufacturer and vendors.

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MiamiE I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Erick Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,892 Trading: (38)	Re: Cuban tobacco Honestly I don't want to see the embargo end from a cigar buying point of view. They're a lot cheaper than domestics. Now for the Cuban people, yes I would.