Assault Rifle Ban

[elderboy02]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I didn't realize that assault rifles were available when the second amendment was written.

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The Internet wasn't around when the 1st Amendment was written. I guess we should still be writing on parchment paper and not the internet.

Just an FYI, I am not making fun of you, just making a point.

Originally Posted by elderboy02

The Internet wasn't around when the 1st Amendment was written. I guess we should still be writing on parchment paper and not the internet.

Just an FYI, I am not making fun of you, just making a point.

LOL

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I didn't realize that assault rifles were available when the second amendment was written.

Just as an fyi, I see no problem with law abiding citizens owning automatic weapons if they want to play with them at the range. I admit they'd be a little much for hunting though.

The liberal media wants you to think that all weapons are used for hunting. The number one reason people own guns including assault rifles is for PROTECTION of their life, property, and freedoms. This is the reason for the second amendment. If a person or government threatens any of these we have the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to defend our freedoms per the second amendment.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

The liberal media wants you to think that all weapons are used for hunting. The number one reason people own guns including assault rifles is for PROTECTION of their life, property, and freedoms. This is the reason for the second amendment. If a person or government threatens any of these we have the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to defend our freedoms per the second amendment.

Liberal media? What are you taking about? I make my own mind up and don't give a rats ass what others think.

And don't presume to lecture me about reasons for owning guns .. I've owned firearms since I was 13 and have more in my house than I can count on my fingers, thank you very much.

My POINT, which I will repeat, is that any "right to bear arms" was written with muzzle loaders in mind. Thus, you should not PRESUME that the founding fathers believed that other weapons, defined as arms, belong in peoples hands. So I get really really tired of that same old baloney when people talk about the second amendment in relation to weapons that were not even dreamed of in the founding fathers time.

Now, I believe that they do belong in the hands of law abiding citizens if they want to own them. And I also believe this assault weapon baloney is a joke. You can be just as easily killed by a "hunting rifle" as "assault rifle", there is no difference except in aesthetics (perhaps mag capacity too, but that is a minor difference). But this is not a belief related to the 2nd amendment, it is a belief related to the freedom of citizens to do whatever the hill they want to without government interference as long as you are not harming others.

[atlharp]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I didn't realize that assault rifles were available when the second amendment was written.

Just as an fyi, I see no problem with law abiding citizens owning automatic weapons if they want to play with them at the range. I admit they'd be a little much for hunting though.

Military grade "assault weapons" were available during the time when the second amendment was written. Indeed, the same Short Land Service Musket that was used by the British was used by our soldiers as well. Indeed our soldiers used them to "assault" the British and run them out of our country and back up to Canada or Britain.

The Second Amendment exists to allow citizens to protect themselves from their government. It's a great provision because it does not allow the government to gain imperium over the lives of citizens (like socialized medicine or punitive taxation) with the expectation that we have the ability to push back with the most extreme means. The second amendment exists so that we do not turn into a bunch of sheep (like Europe and Canada) who are made serfs and knaves with the insecure and pathetic promise of "free" healthcare and an assurance that their government will not throw them into concentration camps.

Americans chafe at the notion of being owned by their government and the second amendment is the explicit declaration that we will never be.

ATL

Originally Posted by atlharp

Military grade "assault weapons" were available during the time when the second amendment was written. Indeed, the same Short Land Service Musket that was used by the British was used by our soldiers as well. Indeed our soldiers used them to "assault" the British and run them out of our country and back up to Canada or Britain.

The Second Amendment exists to allow citizens to protect themselves from their government. It's a great provision because it does not allow the government to gain imperium over the lives of citizens (like socialized medicine or punitive taxation) with the expectation that we have the ability to push back with the most extreme means. The second amendment exists so that we do not turn into a bunch of sheep (like Europe and Canada) who are made serfs and knaves with the insecure and pathetic promise of "free" healthcare and an assurance that their government will not throw them into concentration camps.

Americans chafe at the notion of being owned by their government and the second amendment is the explicit declaration that we will never be.

ATL

Preach on Brother!!!! We need more people that think like you in this country.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by atlharp

Military grade "assault weapons" were available during the time when the second amendment was written. Indeed, the same Short Land Service Musket that was used by the British was used by our soldiers as well. Indeed our soldiers used them to "assault" the British and run them out of our country and back up to Canada or Britain.

How many shots per second you get with one of those? Can you compare that to my Browning BAR .308? Now how about an AR15?

[cbsmokin]

I see validity on both sides of the argument, but in the mean time I am stocking up because if the bad guys have them I want them to.

[mojo65]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I didn't realize that assault rifles were available when the second amendment was written.

Just as an fyi, I see no problem with law abiding citizens owning automatic weapons if they want to play with them at the range. I admit they'd be a little much for hunting though.

See the picture of Mr Heston on page one of this thread. The Black powder rifle in his hands was the assault rifle of its day.

Originally Posted by MikeyC

I just wrote a long post in reply to this thread, but decided I would rather pare it down so as not to start any kind of argument or make this thread political. The only thing I really want to say is that:

At the time the 2nd ammendment was written there was a definite and dire need to own a gun that doesn't exist anymore.

You are incorrect. My blood pressure rises when i hear ignorant people speak. "The founders added the 2nd amendment so that when, after a long train of abuses, agovernment evinces a methodical design upon our natural rights, we will have the means to protect and recover our rights. That is why the right to keep and bear arms was included in the Bill of Rights."

Please study American history.

[chippewastud79]

Well that didn't take long to get a little heated

Originally Posted by Tombstone

You are incorrect. My blood pressure rises when i hear ignorant people speak.
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Please study American history.

I think that he is just as entitled to an opinion (without being called ignorant), just as you are entitled to the opinion that we need assault rifles to protect ourselves.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

You are incorrect. My blood pressure rises when i hear ignorant people speak. "The founders added the 2nd amendment so that when, after a long train of abuses, agovernment evinces a methodical design upon our natural rights, we will have the means to protect and recover our rights. That is why the right to keep and bear arms was included in the Bill of Rights."

Please study American history.

Feel free to disagree and debate the points. Personal insults are not allowed. Ever see a thread go "poof"?

[shilala]

Originally Posted by MikeyC

At the time the 2nd ammendment was written there was a definite and dire need to own a gun that doesn't exist anymore.

There was a time when my gun fed my kids. It doesn't get much more dire than "no food on the table". Unless, of course, junkies are climbing in your kitchen window to rob you. That has also happened to my family.
I don't see the "need" for anyone to have a turret mounted gatling gun on the roof of their Hummer, or a pile of full automatic ar-15's in their basement. I've never had the desire to own or even understood why guys buy so many of the things that have been mentioned in this thread.
Doesn't matter. It's their right. It's my right, too.
I won't likely own any assault rifles in my lifetime. I've played with them lots of times and they're a lot of fun, but I've never had the desire to own one.
Fortunately for me, if I come to need one, I'm sure one of my brothers will hook me up.

[BigAl_SC]

Just a note for those interested. South Carolina is having a '2nd Amendment tax free weekend' in two weeks. All guns and ammo is tax free. Guess that shows where my state stands on this issue. Getting a new AR custom made to celebrate it.

Originally Posted by BigAl_SC

Just a note for those interested. South Carolina is having a '2nd Amendment tax free weekend' in two weeks. All guns and ammo is tax free. Guess that shows where my state stands on this issue. Getting a new AR custom made to celebrate it.

Sweet!!

[elderboy02]

Originally Posted by BigAl_SC

Just a note for those interested. South Carolina is having a '2nd Amendment tax free weekend' in two weeks. All guns and ammo is tax free. Guess that shows where my state stands on this issue. Getting a new AR custom made to celebrate it.

That is cool! I wish Ohio would do that, but I don't forsee that happening anytime soon

Think about it.... Lets say you want a 1911 that costs $1000. Ohio sales tax is 6.5% IIRC. 65 dollars would be a very nice savings.

[AAlmeter]

Nuff said

[jaycarla]

Originally Posted by shilala

I don't see the "need" for anyone to have a turret mounted gatling gun on the roof of their Hummer, or a pile of full automatic ar-15's in their basement. I've never had the desire to own or even understood why guys buy so many of the things that have been mentioned in this thread.
Doesn't matter. It's their right. It's my right, too.
I won't likely own any assault rifles in my lifetime. I've played with them lots of times and they're a lot of fun, but I've never had the desire to own one.
Fortunately for me, if I come to need one, I'm sure one of my brothers will hook me up.

I own a Remington 870 and it is fun to shoot and I keep it loaded and ready to roll. While I agree with Scott above, I also don't like Big Brother telling me what I can and can't buy. My list of things that I can't do becasue of Big Brother is long enough already and it torks me off when they go into "we know best" mode.

Anyway, I am sure many are much more educated on this issue, but thought I would toss in my two cents anyway.

I like to read a good debate.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by jaycarla

I like to read a good debate.

Me, too.
As long as it remains civil.

Originally Posted by pnoon

Me, too.
As long as it remains civil.

No worries Peter I'm on it.