Viaje cigars - Page 2

shilala · 12-23-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by auburnfan1980

Perhaps this is a case where we may not want to admit it, but our palate for cigars can often be heavily influenced psychologically through the praise of BOTL/SOTLs we sometimes hold in high regard...

That's just my

and i'm getting so sick of hearing how good Gurkhas are, too! If Tom doesn't stop with his love-affair with Kaisad, I'm gonna swear he's working for them!

I think that first statement is absolutely true, to a point. It's a "first impression" phenomena. I know that personally, even packaging and/or a cigar band makes a big impression on me when I'm looking for something new. An esteemed BOTL's word is definitely going to put me in the right mind to try a new smoke, from a favorable, slightly swayed standpoint. If nothing else, I'll give a cigar a lot more time to develop before I chuck it, just out of respect for my brother's opinion.
Ultimately, a cigar has to stand on it's own two feet. That's why I left the
Gurkha comment in there. All the bling in the world isn't going to save Gurkha, but they have their niche. That niche might be fancy packaging on a lousy cigar sold to guys who haven't had the good fortune to be exposed to something they like better, but it works for Gurkha. Plus their cigars are damned near free on cbid. Plus Bobby likes them, so at least we know one guy smokes them.

Chainsaw13 · 12-23-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07

I have only been disappointed by one stick the original release Exclusivo (from the pickle jar).

See, that's been my favorite so far. Now the DES to me has been a big dissappointment. I've yet to have one that justified the cost.

For me the Viaje line has been hit or miss. The first Oro line I had blew me away. The 2nd one was meh. Some of the LE stuff has been stellar, others not so much.

Chainsaw13 · 12-23-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala

I think that first statement is absolutely true, to a point. It's a "first impression" phenomena. I know that personally, even packaging and/or a cigar band makes a big impression on me when I'm looking for something new. An esteemed BOTL's word is definitely going to put me in the right mind to try a new smoke, from a favorable, slightly swayed standpoint. If nothing else, I'll give a cigar a lot more time to develop before I chuck it, just out of respect for my brother's opinion.
Ultimately, a cigar has to stand on it's own two feet. That's why I left the
Gurkha comment in there. All the bling in the world isn't going to save Gurkha, but they have their niche. That niche might be fancy packaging on a lousy cigar sold to guys who haven't had the good fortune to be exposed to something they like better, but it works for Gurkha. Plus their cigars are damned near free on cbid. Plus Bobby likes them, so at least we know one guy smokes them.

Couldn't have said it better.

rizzle · 12-23-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by auburnfan1980

I don't know, Clayton...I ain't no connoisseur, I'm just an average run of the mill Auburn fan from Alabammer who think the finer things in life are buffets and a good bowel movement afterwards. We ain't got much appreciation fer things of this nature in general....I just like them ceegars!

Fixed that for ya.

jimmyk26 · 12-23-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

I love most Viaje LE's. Their regular blends are OK.

I am with you on this. I find that I really like the limited stuff that Viaje puts out, but I only try so hard to get them. If I do then great, I have cigars that I enjoy. If I don't, no big deal. I do find it odd though that the LEs, in my opinion, are way better than the regular blends. I would probably smoke more if I really liked one of the regular product lines.

Devanmc · 12-23-2010, 10:47 AM

i feel like they might do this on purpose...

As for there LE im extremely persistent and when i want something i dont usually give up. So once i decide to get something it usually happens.

akumushi · 12-24-2010, 04:01 AM

Ok, so I agree that it gets irritating when every LE is like a feeding frenzy and the prices soar and the cigars are near impossible to get your hands on unless you jump on every release when it comes out and you have to risk ending up with an untried cigar that you hate or missing out on one that ends up being stellar. The good thing is that we're part of a community that really shares the love and a lot of us get to try these otherwise unattainable cigars thanks to our generous BOTL.
BUT...
In defense of the whole concept of LE cigars. Big companies like General will not even consider making a cigar unless they have enough tobacco to make it consistent over tens of thousands of boxes of cigars, even if that cigar would be really great and tasty. Small boutique companies have much smaller batches of tobacco to work from and sometimes they have a great idea for a cigar but can only make 500-1000 boxes. And maybe the cigar is so unique and specialized that even if they could make more, they're not sure they would be able to sell all of it. In comes the concept of the limited run; use that small batch of superior tobacco in creative and unique ways, put it out and see how it does. That way you don't get a cigar that is awesome upon release but starts to decline and then is completely different and inferior a few years later when the original tobaccos run out and the producer is forced to substitute some of the leaf, unintentionally dilluting or changing the blend, and you don't get a novel idea that is quickly forgotten and ends up losing money for the producer who has sunk whole crops of tobacco into a failed product.
I actually think it is a miracle that brands like Fuente and Padron keep any consistency at all in their lines, and that is only possible because they own huge farms, have HUMONGOUS stockpiles of their own tobacco stored up to ensure consistency and are fully integrated topdown operations where they control everything. Small boutique operators that have to procure their tobacco from other companies cannot guarantee consistency in the long run, and thus in order to get more variety and to maximize their profits they resort to limited runs. It may hurt our wallets and be frustrating at times, but a lot of the cigars we love simply would not be possible to produce as anything but limited releases, so in the end, for those of us that love variety and like to try new, different and experimental cigars, limited releases are actually a great innovation in the market and benefit the community as a whole.
Do some producers carry it too far and just gouge our wallets over specially packaged garbage? Yes, but there are also PHENOMINAL cigars that would not have existed at all if they weren't made as part of a very limited release. I think that the concept of LEs, at least in theory if not always in practice, makes complete sense and is good for both the consumer and the producer

Adriftpanda · 12-24-2010, 07:02 AM

Clayton, I love you man.

Whatever he said, I'm with him. Couldn't have said it any better.

longknocker · 12-24-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriftpanda

Clayton, I love you man.

Whatever he said, I'm with him. Couldn't have said it any better.

So True!

Devanmc · 12-24-2010, 08:19 AM

12-23-2010, 10:47 AM	#26
Devanmc Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Devan Location: The Zoo Posts: 1,971 Trading: (40)	Re: Viaje cigars i feel like they might do this on purpose... As for there LE im extremely persistent and when i want something i dont usually give up. So once i decide to get something it usually happens. __________________ I spent a lot of my money on booze, cigars, birds and fast cars, the rest I just squandered. -George Best

12-24-2010, 04:01 AM	#27
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Viaje cigars Ok, so I agree that it gets irritating when every LE is like a feeding frenzy and the prices soar and the cigars are near impossible to get your hands on unless you jump on every release when it comes out and you have to risk ending up with an untried cigar that you hate or missing out on one that ends up being stellar. The good thing is that we're part of a community that really shares the love and a lot of us get to try these otherwise unattainable cigars thanks to our generous BOTL. BUT... In defense of the whole concept of LE cigars. Big companies like General will not even consider making a cigar unless they have enough tobacco to make it consistent over tens of thousands of boxes of cigars, even if that cigar would be really great and tasty. Small boutique companies have much smaller batches of tobacco to work from and sometimes they have a great idea for a cigar but can only make 500-1000 boxes. And maybe the cigar is so unique and specialized that even if they could make more, they're not sure they would be able to sell all of it. In comes the concept of the limited run; use that small batch of superior tobacco in creative and unique ways, put it out and see how it does. That way you don't get a cigar that is awesome upon release but starts to decline and then is completely different and inferior a few years later when the original tobaccos run out and the producer is forced to substitute some of the leaf, unintentionally dilluting or changing the blend, and you don't get a novel idea that is quickly forgotten and ends up losing money for the producer who has sunk whole crops of tobacco into a failed product. I actually think it is a miracle that brands like Fuente and Padron keep any consistency at all in their lines, and that is only possible because they own huge farms, have HUMONGOUS stockpiles of their own tobacco stored up to ensure consistency and are fully integrated topdown operations where they control everything. Small boutique operators that have to procure their tobacco from other companies cannot guarantee consistency in the long run, and thus in order to get more variety and to maximize their profits they resort to limited runs. It may hurt our wallets and be frustrating at times, but a lot of the cigars we love simply would not be possible to produce as anything but limited releases, so in the end, for those of us that love variety and like to try new, different and experimental cigars, limited releases are actually a great innovation in the market and benefit the community as a whole. Do some producers carry it too far and just gouge our wallets over specially packaged garbage? Yes, but there are also PHENOMINAL cigars that would not have existed at all if they weren't made as part of a very limited release. I think that the concept of LEs, at least in theory if not always in practice, makes complete sense and is good for both the consumer and the producer __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final." Last edited by akumushi; 12-24-2010 at 04:10 AM.

12-24-2010, 07:02 AM	#28
Adriftpanda Peter's Daddy Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Huy Location: No one wants me Posts: 10,313 Trading: (74)	Re: Viaje cigars Clayton, I love you man. Whatever he said, I'm with him. Couldn't have said it any better.

12-24-2010, 08:19 AM	#30
Devanmc Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Devan Location: The Zoo Posts: 1,971 Trading: (40)	Re: Viaje cigars __________________ I spent a lot of my money on booze, cigars, birds and fast cars, the rest I just squandered. -George Best