US finance simplified - Page 2

jmsremax · 03-31-2011, 07:46 AM

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MiamiE · 03-31-2011, 07:54 AM

Why are political discussions not allowed?

replicant_argent · 03-31-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

Why are political discussions not allowed?

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/announcement.php?f=48

MiamiE · 03-31-2011, 08:00 AM

Yes I know they have the right to remove the threads, but I am just wondering why?

jmsremax · 03-31-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

Why are political discussions not allowed?

Things can escalate realllll quick or at least that is what I have seen happen in the past.

awsmith4 · 03-31-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

Yes I know they have the right to remove the threads, but I am just wondering why?

Because this is an asylum, a place to relax and enjoy friendship. Politics are not relaxing.

357 · 03-31-2011, 08:24 AM

Politics has the ability to polarize even close friends. Basically it is outside the scope of this community. If you want to argue politics there are dozens of other forums where you can do that. CA is for exploring the cigar culture and some other related vices like spirits, good food, and a few other tobacco products.

MiamiE · 03-31-2011, 08:25 AM

Understood and it makes sense. Same with religion!

md4958 · 03-31-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

Understood and it makes sense. Same with religion!

Neither of which are allowed as topics of discussion here.

poker · 03-31-2011, 09:11 AM

While I understand that we all want to view ourselves as mature adults that can hold a intellectual debate without it getting out of hand, history has proven it never works when it comes to politics (at least on the boards I have moderated over the years). The nature of how political threads go downhill is not limited to just cigar boards either.

I found this little tidbit at another non-cigar related board:

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Ok, some have asked why the Mods/Admins basically don't allow any political topics on xxxxxxxxxxxx.com. I'll do my best to explain.

Back in the day, we had a sub-forum called the xxxxx room. This forum was a place where politically, religiously or other special interest or other such motivated topics could be discussed freely, within reason, and governed by the forums Terms of Use and Code of Conduct. Sadly, this was never achieved.

At the start, the room was great. Members were able to state their personal opinion about political, religious, or other various, related topics that couldn't be posted in other sub-forums. It really was a great way to blow off steam and actually learn more about other members and what motivated their thoughts and beliefs. However, this didn't last, and when it went south, it went south FAST.

What we ended up with was a cess pool of personal insults, back biting, cheap shots and other various forms of nefarious childishness that none of the Mods/Admins were comfortable with. It became a NIGHTMARE to Moderate as most of the Mods wouldn't even go into the room if given a choice. At this point I was only a mod, and I HATED going into that forum for that reason alone.

The end result was this: 12 members in good standing were either banned for COC/TOU violations OR left the forum by their own choice. To me, that was devestating as I NEVER want to lose a member over childish machisimo posturing, "my candidate is bigger and badder than your candidate, can beat him/her up, and is the best choice, for these reasons and I don't care what you think!!!!" This is all this entire sub-forum consisted of, I kid you not.

Is this what we want for Cigar Asylum? I think not.

icehog3 · 03-31-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

While I understand that we all want to view ourselves as mature adults that can hold a intellectual debate without it getting out of hand, history has proven it never works when it comes to politics (at least on the boards I have moderated over the years). The nature of how political threads go downhill is not limited to just cigar boards either.

I found this little tidbit at another non-cigar related board:

Is this what we want for Cigar Asylum? I think not.

I agree, Kelly...I have seen it make enemies out of good friends more than once.

Skywalker · 03-31-2011, 09:14 AM

20 Posts achieved!!!

icehog3 · 03-31-2011, 09:16 AM

OK....I think we're done here?

pnoon · 03-31-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

OK....I think we're done here?

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03-31-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

From a Cybercast news article today:

"Imagine that you had an average monthly income of about $170 balanced against average monthly expenses of about $940--and that you were more than $14,000 in debt. Then imagine that as of today, you had only $58.60 in cash left in your bank account and $130.50 left on your line of credit. Now multiply these numbers by 1 billion and you will have the up-to-date financial situation of the U.S. government."

Now imagine you can just print more money.
And that you can keep borrowing.

Before this gets closed over discussion of why it might be closed...
Let me just add that simplified is just that. All of those numbers are very dynamic. The "in the bank" and "credit" numbers start at very high values and count down to nothing for every budget. The "income" number swings wildly around the economy. The "expenses" and "debt" are ticking up slowly for now but that can change. It's not as bad as this snapshot makes it seem. Which is still pretty bad.

jledou · 03-31-2011, 10:34 AM

Interesting, I am not an economist so my total understanding is limited in the big picture. This statement brings the numbers all down to a "personal" perspective since most of us tend to lose touch when talking about billions and trillions but fully grasp a couple hundred bucks.
This all being said, operation of personal finances are different than government and business so I wonder if being brought down to a personal perspective still makes everything make sense?

kaisersozei · 03-31-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jledou

Interesting, I am not an economist so my total understanding is limited in the big picture. This statement brings the numbers all down to a "personal" perspective since most of us tend to lose touch when talking about billions and trillions but fully grasp a couple hundred bucks.
This all being said, operation of personal finances are different than government and business so I wonder if being brought down to a personal perspective still makes everything make sense?

I agree with you, Jay, the model is a little iffy in parts. Don't think national economics and personal finances line up precisely. It gives you a great perspective overall, but I'm betting the "income" side is based on GDP or something.

For comparisons, I'd be interested to see how we match up with other developed countries, using this same kind of model.

03-31-2011, 07:46 AM	#21
jmsremax Yet another Masshole Join Date: Nov 2009 First Name: Jon Location: MA Posts: 1,245 Trading: (19)	Re: US finance simplified 21! __________________ Stock/Finance banter

03-31-2011, 07:54 AM	#22
MiamiE I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Erick Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,892 Trading: (38)	Re: US finance simplified Why are political discussions not allowed?

03-31-2011, 08:00 AM	#24
MiamiE I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Erick Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,892 Trading: (38)	Re: US finance simplified Yes I know they have the right to remove the threads, but I am just wondering why?

03-31-2011, 08:24 AM	#27
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: US finance simplified Politics has the ability to polarize even close friends. Basically it is outside the scope of this community. If you want to argue politics there are dozens of other forums where you can do that. CA is for exploring the cigar culture and some other related vices like spirits, good food, and a few other tobacco products. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

03-31-2011, 08:25 AM	#28
MiamiE I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Erick Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,892 Trading: (38)	Re: US finance simplified Understood and it makes sense. Same with religion!

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Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: US finance simplified 20 Posts achieved!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

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icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: US finance simplified OK....I think we're done here? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

03-31-2011, 10:34 AM	#36
jledou Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jay Location: Kansas Posts: 2,224 Trading: (27)	Re: US finance simplified Interesting, I am not an economist so my total understanding is limited in the big picture. This statement brings the numbers all down to a "personal" perspective since most of us tend to lose touch when talking about billions and trillions but fully grasp a couple hundred bucks. This all being said, operation of personal finances are different than government and business so I wonder if being brought down to a personal perspective still makes everything make sense?