Packer fan thoughts - Page 2

RevSmoke · 11-08-2011, 01:40 PM

I don't think that defensively there are injury problems, coordinator problems, or lack of talent.

I heard someone make a statement today that has a ring of truth to it.

It went something like... "The Pack defense knows what the offense will do, so they're only playing lackluster. When they know they need a stop they do it. But, they don't yet feel the need, so why expend the same effort."

If you watch, you could almost get that impression.

I don't know what to say.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

shilala · 11-08-2011, 02:00 PM

The Steelers seem to play that way on both sides of the ball. It's maddening.
Just look at the loss this weekend. They had the whole game to put the game away, all the chances in the world. It's like there's no urgency or killer instinct.
It used to be they'd come out and step on your neck and not let you up for 60 minutes. Now they'd rather dance and have a nice cup of espresso.
In the end I suppose it boils down to "who wants it most?" It just doesn't seem like that anymore.

I suppose we have to realize that the guys don't practice nearly as much as they used to and get far fewer reps to get their timing together. That's why tandems like Rodgers and Jennings are so important and successful. They have years of experience together, tons of reps, they think alike, they're on the same page, and each one knows what the other is going to do.
Lots of the guys on these clubs are just feeling around in the dark compared to how they used to get prepared. It's hard to develop a locker-room spirit if the guys are never in the locker room, ya know?

RevSmoke · 11-08-2011, 05:43 PM

I think my youngest, Timothy, hit it on the head too. "Practice once a week with full pads? Geez, I wish we had it that easy. And I'm not even paid as a high school freshman. How can you be good at hitting if you don't practice it? Maybe that's why the tackling sucked on Sunday."

Hmm? Is the new CBA part of the problem?

Stephen · 11-08-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I think my youngest, Timothy, hit it on the head too. "Practice once a week with full pads? Geez, I wish we had it that easy. And I'm not even paid as a high school freshman. How can you be good at hitting if you don't practice it? Maybe that's why the tackling sucked on Sunday."

Hmm? Is the new CBA part of the problem?

But it's a problem that's equally shared by all 32 teams so I refuse to use that as an excuse when there are teams out there that are tackling well. If anything, if I were to venture a guess as to why our pass defense took about 18 steps back this season from the past couple, it's the pass rush (or lack thereof). Cullen Jenkins is now registering sacks on the dream team, and there's nobody opposite Matthews to put any heat on the quarterback. Matthews had as many sacks in the first five quarters last year as he does in half a season this year. He's putting consistent pressure on the quarterback, but there's nobody there to clean it up or vice versa.

RevSmoke · 11-08-2011, 07:07 PM

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.

shilala · 11-08-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.

Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.

Stephen · 11-08-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.

I guess in Ted Thompson's infinite wisdom he thought some combination of Neal (who's quickly joining Justin Harrell in the candybone HOF)/Wilson/Wynn/Guy could fill the void. That, and he knew he had to save some coin somewhere to get some guys locked up long term, which is still a work in progress.

Stephen · 11-08-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.

This is one area that I'm envious of the Steelers. Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward are going to make sure that the Steel Curtain is alive and well for years to come. Yes, the Packers have Raji and I wouldn't trade him for darn near anyone, but there's nothing (young) of worth at DE.

RevSmoke · 11-08-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

I guess in Ted Thompson's infinite wisdom he thought some combination of Neal (who's quickly joining Justin Harrell in the candybone HOF)/Wilson/Wynn/Guy could fill the void. That, and he knew he had to save some coin somewhere to get some guys locked up long term, which is still a work in progress.

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This is one area that I'm envious of the Steelers. Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward are going to make sure that the Steel Curtain is alive and well for years to come. Yes, the Packers have Raji and I wouldn't trade him for darn near anyone, but there's nothing (young) of worth at DE.

I hope your 2nd quote pans out and someone steps up opposite Matthews to give some stress to quarterbacks.

Yes, money is a big motivator.

Stephen · 11-09-2011, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke

I hope your 2nd quote pans out and someone steps up opposite Matthews to give some stress to quarterbacks.

Yes, money is a big motivator.

The last I looked, the three players that had the most sacks on the team after Matthews were the two inside linebackers and a safety. No bueno.

MarkinAZ · 11-14-2011, 08:30 PM

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".

cort · 11-14-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".

I have no stake in this game as I am not a fan of either squad but Jared Allen is one bad motha F-er!

MarkinAZ · 11-14-2011, 08:45 PM

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I have no stake in this game as I am not a fan of either squad but Jared Allen is one bad motha F-er!

Dudes pure energy. Just don't want him chasing my a$$. Just sayin

rebelknight · 11-14-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".

Spoke a bit too soon. I bet Cobb wishes he had that one back. I do like how he responded by just exploding on the following kick off though. The kid has excellent potential. Even with the muffed punt Packers rolling as I expected. Really enjoying this game.

cort · 11-14-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkinCA

Dudes pure energy. Just don't want him chasing my a$$. Just sayin

I'm with you on that one, Mark.

MarkinAZ · 11-14-2011, 08:52 PM

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I'm with you on that one, Mark.

...He can chase Wii' a$$ though

Giant & 49er Fan · 11-14-2011, 08:59 PM

Enjoying Rodgers sealing my FF Victory! Also hope the Packers are undefeated when we beat them in the NFC Championship in Green Bay! NINERS!!!!!

tupacboy · 11-14-2011, 09:02 PM

packers vs pats in the superbowl would be insane!!

MarkinAZ · 11-14-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant & 49er Fan

Enjoying Rodgers sealing my FF Victory! Also hope the Packers are undefeated when we beat them in the NFC Championship in Green Bay! NINERS!!!!!

Not in Green Bay Jaime

MarkinAZ · 11-14-2011, 09:42 PM

Packer "D" came to play tonight. Nice

11-08-2011, 01:40 PM	#21
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,844 Trading: (51)	Re: Packer fan thought I don't think that defensively there are injury problems, coordinator problems, or lack of talent. I heard someone make a statement today that has a ring of truth to it. It went something like... "The Pack defense knows what the offense will do, so they're only playing lackluster. When they know they need a stop they do it. But, they don't yet feel the need, so why expend the same effort." If you watch, you could almost get that impression. I don't know what to say. Peace of the Lord be with you. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

11-08-2011, 02:00 PM	#22
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Packer fan thought The Steelers seem to play that way on both sides of the ball. It's maddening. Just look at the loss this weekend. They had the whole game to put the game away, all the chances in the world. It's like there's no urgency or killer instinct. It used to be they'd come out and step on your neck and not let you up for 60 minutes. Now they'd rather dance and have a nice cup of espresso. In the end I suppose it boils down to "who wants it most?" It just doesn't seem like that anymore. I suppose we have to realize that the guys don't practice nearly as much as they used to and get far fewer reps to get their timing together. That's why tandems like Rodgers and Jennings are so important and successful. They have years of experience together, tons of reps, they think alike, they're on the same page, and each one knows what the other is going to do. Lots of the guys on these clubs are just feeling around in the dark compared to how they used to get prepared. It's hard to develop a locker-room spirit if the guys are never in the locker room, ya know? __________________

11-08-2011, 05:43 PM	#23
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,844 Trading: (51)	Re: Packer fan thoughts I think my youngest, Timothy, hit it on the head too. "Practice once a week with full pads? Geez, I wish we had it that easy. And I'm not even paid as a high school freshman. How can you be good at hitting if you don't practice it? Maybe that's why the tackling sucked on Sunday." Hmm? Is the new CBA part of the problem? __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

11-08-2011, 07:07 PM	#25
RevSmoke Ain't Never Gonna Leave Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Todd Location: Northcentral woods of Wisconsin Posts: 6,844 Trading: (51)	Re: Packer fan thoughts I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go. __________________ Todd__ "Smoke what you like, and enjoy it!"

11-14-2011, 08:30 PM	#31
MarkinAZ Formerly MarkinOR Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Sun City West, AZ Posts: 6,221 Trading: (40)	Re: Packer fan thoughts Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well. If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O". __________________ "Don't worry, God will work out His plan for your life..." Psalm 138 8

11-14-2011, 08:59 PM	#37
Giant & 49er Fan Formerly known as RPguy Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Jaime Location: McCovey Cove! Posts: 1,318 Trading: (35)	Re: Packer fan thoughts Enjoying Rodgers sealing my FF Victory! Also hope the Packers are undefeated when we beat them in the NFC Championship in Green Bay! NINERS!!!!! __________________ "This cigar tastes like the weekend!" - JBoogie

11-14-2011, 09:02 PM	#38
tupacboy Still Watching My Back Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Diamond Bar.... home of snoop dogg Posts: 195 Trading: (1)	Re: Packer fan thoughts packers vs pats in the superbowl would be insane!!

11-14-2011, 09:42 PM	#40
MarkinAZ Formerly MarkinOR Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Sun City West, AZ Posts: 6,221 Trading: (40)	Re: Packer fan thoughts Packer "D" came to play tonight. Nice __________________ "Don't worry, God will work out His plan for your life..." Psalm 138 8