Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs - Page 2

Genetic Defect · 02-15-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

interesting when plasma has actually been catching up to LCD in the past few years. I think they have always had better color, but their screen life and that has been greatly improved. Weird.

catching up

King James · 02-15-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

catching up

I prefer LCD (or have so far) because they had better screen lives and you can watch LCD in a room that has light. Plasma screen sucks if light is hitting it. And I believe LCD has (or at least had) a better viewing angle

bazookajoe · 02-15-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

true but I was waiting for the "holy grail" ( how fitting as that as well has been elusive)

unfortunately my eyes are trained and spoiled by the beauty that is an Elite set...

I much prefer the contrast and richness of a plasma, and was waiting until I could afford the Pioneer... well I've got the waiting part down... OLED?

BORIStheBLADE · 02-15-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by King James

I prefer LCD (or have so far) because they had better screen lives and you can watch LCD in a room that has light. Plasma screen sucks if light is hitting it. And I believe LCD has (or at least had) a better viewing angle

If all LCD's had the glossy screen finish that Plasmas do people would be saying that they suck too when light hits them too.

If all LCD's had better blacks and no motion blur LIKE all plasmas then I can see all the hype. but....

Genetic Defect · 02-15-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bazookajoe

I much prefer the contrast and richness of a plasma, and was waiting until I could afford the Pioneer... well I've got the waiting part down... OLED?

If you are looking for a non Elite Pioneer the 50 inch is around $1,900. The 9G is still far ahead of the curve.

OLED is Organic Light Emitting Diode, I am on my iPhone otherwise I would post a link

Genetic Defect · 02-15-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE

If all LCD's had the glossy screen finish that Plasmas do people would be saying that they suck too when light hits them too.

If all LCD's had better blacks and no motion blur LIKE all plasmas then I can see all the hype. but....

Once I got. The plasma in the house I didn't notice anymore glare than a CRT tv. At the store you notice it more

Genetic Defect · 02-15-2009, 11:24 AM

Lets not turn this into a LCD vs plasma thread

BORIStheBLADE · 02-15-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

Lets not turn this into a LCD vs plasma thread

Agreed, I actually own one. Its only because they don't make plasmas under 40"

hahah

bazookajoe · 02-15-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

If you are looking for a non Elite Pioneer the 50 inch is around $1,900. The 9G is still far ahead of the curve.

OLED is Organic Light Emitting Diode, I am on my iPhone otherwise I would post a link

I didn't mean what is OLED, just wondering if my waiting for the Elite will turn into waiting for an OLED. I have a small Sony Bravia LCD and the picture just isn't what I would spend money on in a larger screen.

MikeyC · 02-15-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

there has been some talk in the Euro parliament about forbidding plasma as a plasma used 4 times more electricity then LCD.

Now I know why my electric bill is so high.

AD720 · 02-15-2009, 01:13 PM

Bottom line is the today's consumer wants lots of inches for little bits of dollars and really isn't interested in the picture quality.

This fact is evident due to the people that buy the $750 42 inch at Sam's club and leave it in factory torch mode with every setting at 100% and say "Hey it's a 1080p look how good it looks." while it's being feed with a composite cable and the colors are so over saturated that the grass on the football field is blue.

I am not surprised in the least that companies are dropping Plasma in favor of LCD, they are cheaper to make, cheaper to transport and move faster of the shelves due to the lower price.

I don't want it to seem like I am knocking LCD at all, there are some that look absolutely amazing when they are set up right. I went with a Plasma but with one of today's higher end LCD's I would probably be happy too.

JE3146 · 02-15-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AD720

Bottom line is the today's consumer wants lots of inches for little bits of dollars and really isn't interested in the picture quality.

This fact is evident due to the people that buy the $750 42 inch at Sam's club and leave it in factory torch mode with every setting at 100% and say "Hey it's a 1080p look how good it looks." while it's being feed with a composite cable and the colors are so over saturated that the grass on the football field is blue.

I am not surprised in the least that companies are dropping Plasma in favor of LCD, they are cheaper to make, cheaper to transport and move faster of the shelves due to the lower price.

I don't want it to seem like I am knocking LCD at all, there are some that look absolutely amazing when they are set up right. I went with a Plasma but with one of today's higher end LCD's I would probably be happy too.

Lately Plasmas have been the bang for buck, not LCD's. Companies just like the higher profit margins of LCD's. Even though they're inferior when compared dollar for dollar, inch for inch in most A/B tests that I witnessed while shopping for TV's and helping people shop for TV's over the past few years.

Only thing LCD's offer is no burn in

Which is non-existent anymore.

02-15-2009, 04:52 PM

You can find great deals on plasma TVs if you spend the time to look. In which case if you're ready to drop a few hundred or thousand dollars on something you use hours a day everyday, why not do the research right?

Plasmas do produce the better picture. The general public just still believes they have horrible life span, high power consumption, and burn in, because it was true 10-15 years ago when it first came out.

I refuse to believe burn in is a problem, since I use my plasma as my computer monitor. Surfing the 'net all day hasn't made any burn ins yet.

AD720 · 02-15-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

Lately Plasmas have been the bang for buck, not LCD's. Companies just like the higher profit margins of LCD's. Even though they're inferior when compared dollar for dollar, inch for inch in most A/B tests that I witnessed while shopping for TV's and helping people shop for TV's over the past few years.

Only thing LCD's offer is no burn in

Which is non-existent anymore.

Bang for the buck maybe...but as far as out and out cheap I've yet to see a $399.99 plasma at the grocery store.

02-15-2009, 07:41 PM

Plasmas are really limited like 37" and up I think. LCDs are just cheaper to manufacturer if I'm not mistaken, so it's easy to drive the price (usually with quality).

acruce · 02-15-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

there has been some talk in the Euro parliament about forbidding plasma as a plasma used 4 times more electricity then LCD.

I have a 60" Hitachi director series plasma and I haven't noticed using more electricity. I think the newer plasma's have come along way when it comes to the power issue.

acruce · 02-15-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChINaMaN1472

You can find great deals on plasma TVs if you spend the time to look. In which case if you're ready to drop a few hundred or thousand dollars on something you use hours a day everyday, why not do the research right?

Plasmas do produce the better picture. The general public just still believes they have horrible life span, high power consumption, and burn in, because it was true 10-15 years ago when it first came out.

I refuse to believe burn in is a problem, since I use my plasma as my computer monitor. Surfing the 'net all day hasn't made any burn ins yet.

My plasma has 100,000 hours until you get to the half life.Even then I don't the untrained eye could tell it is at it's half life.

02-15-2009, 08:19 PM

You're more likely to get a new TV before your plasma TV reaches the half life.

In any case, I think it'll hurt the market a bit since the "king" is retiring, but I doubt plasma TVs are going anywhere, at least not until OLED becomes affordable for the average consumer.

DrDubzz · 02-15-2009, 11:07 PM

I've had a couple friends with plasmas who have had burn in problems with comedy central and espn

I've only owned LCDs, and I "tune" them after I get em. My Vizio looks a lot nicer than a lot of my friends more expensive TVs since they never touch them after opening the box

JE3146 · 02-15-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AD720

Bang for the buck maybe...but as far as out and out cheap I've yet to see a $399.99 plasma at the grocery store.

You don't see many 19" Plasmas either... outside of 'The Office'

02-15-2009, 11:24 AM	#27
Genetic Defect difetosso Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Perry Location: An elevator Posts: 5,202 Trading: (5)	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs Lets not turn this into a LCD vs plasma thread __________________ I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got wanderlust branded deeper than the bone

02-15-2009, 01:13 PM	#31
AD720 I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The City of BOTL-erly Love Posts: 2,684 Trading: (73)	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs Bottom line is the today's consumer wants lots of inches for little bits of dollars and really isn't interested in the picture quality. This fact is evident due to the people that buy the $750 42 inch at Sam's club and leave it in factory torch mode with every setting at 100% and say "Hey it's a 1080p look how good it looks." while it's being feed with a composite cable and the colors are so over saturated that the grass on the football field is blue. I am not surprised in the least that companies are dropping Plasma in favor of LCD, they are cheaper to make, cheaper to transport and move faster of the shelves due to the lower price. I don't want it to seem like I am knocking LCD at all, there are some that look absolutely amazing when they are set up right. I went with a Plasma but with one of today's higher end LCD's I would probably be happy too.

02-15-2009, 04:52 PM	#33
ChINaMaN1472 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs You can find great deals on plasma TVs if you spend the time to look. In which case if you're ready to drop a few hundred or thousand dollars on something you use hours a day everyday, why not do the research right? Plasmas do produce the better picture. The general public just still believes they have horrible life span, high power consumption, and burn in, because it was true 10-15 years ago when it first came out. I refuse to believe burn in is a problem, since I use my plasma as my computer monitor. Surfing the 'net all day hasn't made any burn ins yet.

02-15-2009, 07:41 PM	#35
ChINaMaN1472 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs Plasmas are really limited like 37" and up I think. LCDs are just cheaper to manufacturer if I'm not mistaken, so it's easy to drive the price (usually with quality).

02-15-2009, 08:19 PM	#38
ChINaMaN1472 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs You're more likely to get a new TV before your plasma TV reaches the half life. In any case, I think it'll hurt the market a bit since the "king" is retiring, but I doubt plasma TVs are going anywhere, at least not until OLED becomes affordable for the average consumer.

02-15-2009, 11:07 PM	#39
DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Virginia Posts: 2,201 Trading: (34)	Re: Pioneer and Vizio to drop Plasma TVs I've had a couple friends with plasmas who have had burn in problems with comedy central and espn I've only owned LCDs, and I "tune" them after I get em. My Vizio looks a lot nicer than a lot of my friends more expensive TVs since they never touch them after opening the box