Mid season award winners

[MedicCook]

Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Finally we agree on something!

I think Ubaldo is going to run away with the NL Cy Young, Price has a good shot but you can't count out Lee or King Felix.

Or CC.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

I would vote Rios for sure just because he has speed, power and hits for average. He has 23 SB's this year. That and his batting numbers mean a lot combined.

Based on this Carl Crawford is a more worthy player than Rios. His stats are better across the board than Rios. More stolen bases, higher average, better slugging, more total bases, less errors.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Based on this Carl Crawford is a more worthy player than Rios. His stats are better across the board than Rios. More stolen bases, higher average, better slugging, more total bases, less errors.

Rios has better power numbers. HR's, RBI's... Plus Crawford has 20 more Ab's.

[chippewastud79]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Rios has better power numbers. HR's, RBI's... Plus Crawford has 20 more Ab's.

Crawford has a higher slugging average and they are tied in RBI's, also he has a better OBP. Not to mention, more walks, more runs and more hits.

Again, Crawford has had a total of 232 baserunners while at bat. Rios has had 208. That makes more opportunity for Crawford and it also allows for him to have a better payoff when he does produce.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Crawford has a higher slugging average and they are tied in RBI's, also he has a better OBP. Not to mention, more walks, more runs and more hits.

They are not tied in RBI's. Rios has 54. Crawford has 51. Oh and Crawfords Slugging average is .513 and Rios is .521. And thats with less AB's for Rios

[chippewastud79]

Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
C Crawford TB OF 89 349 71 111 21 7 11 51 179 31 58 33 8 .374 .513 .318
A.. Rios CWS OF 86 328 58 100 20 1 15 51 167 23 48 23 10 .356 .509 .305

MLB.com is a bunch of damn liars then.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79

C Crawford TB OF 89 349 71 111 21 7 11 51 179 31 58 33 8 .374 .513 .318
A Rios CWS OF 86 328 58 100 20 1 15 51 167 23 48 23 10 .356 .509 .305

MLB.com is a bunch of damn liars then.

Here ya go bro

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...?playerId=5035

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...?playerId=5880

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Again, Crawford has had a total of 232 baserunners while at bat. Rios has had 208. That makes more opportunity for Crawford and it also allows for him to have a better payoff when he does produce.

You cant use the total number of runners. You have to use AVG with RISP.

Rios 289
Crawford 388
Cabrera 348

If you want to paint with a broader brush & just look at AVG with runners on
Rios 275
Crawford 359
Cabrera 341

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by MedicCook

Or CC.

Most definitely, but it's near impossible for a Yankee to win a Cy Young award.

Originally Posted by jonumberone

You cant use the total number of runners. You have to use AVG with RISP.

Rios 289
Crawford 388
Cabrera 348

If you want to paint with a broader brush & just look at AVG with runners on
Rios 275
Crawford 359
Cabrera 341

If you don't include total number of runners, then we are not using a fair sample size to compare Rios. He has had less people on base, therefore limiting his chance of boosting his Avgerage with people on base. It's not fair to compare his lower average with crawford or cabrera when they have had more people on base. Yeah Rios may have a lower average with people on base, but his sample size is also lower which lowers his average compared to others. Would his average with RISP be higher with more baserunners for him? Maybe? We don't know. His batting average by itself is over .300 which leaves good chance that having more baserunners would have to raise his average with RISP.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

I wonder what Rios and his numbers would look like with 68 more people on base for him?.

That is exactly why you need to use averages when comparing. At the time of the above statement. Cabrera had driven in about 29% of the total # of baserunners he had on. At the same time Rios drove in about 25%( I rounded up for both players). So based on those averages, had Rios had the same number of baserunners, he would have driven in around 10-12 less runners.

Originally Posted by jonumberone

That is exactly why you need to use averages when comparing. At the time of the above statement. Cabrera had driven in about 29% of the total # of baserunners he had on. At the same time Rios drove in about 25%( I rounded up for both players). So based on those averages, had Rios had the same number of baserunners, he would have driven in around 10-12 less runners.

You can't say that based on averages that if Rios has the same amount of baserunners as the others that he will still bring in less runners. You are not accounting for any improvement, and I say improvement because of his regular batting average. His average with runners on base is considerably lower than his regular batting average. So if we think about it, if Rios has more people on base, give him more baserunners, he would have to improve his average with runners on. He would not continue to hit the same with runners on. Its about giving each player the same sample size, i.e. same amount of baserunners or at least as close as we possibly can, and then average the batting. If not, then we are not comparing players as fairly and accurately.

[icehog3]

Wonder if those actuaily voting put this much thought into it.

[jonumberone]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Wonder if those actuaily voting put this much thought into it.

If this were a Hart Trophy conversation would you feel the same way?

Originally Posted by icehog3

Wonder if those actuaily voting put this much thought into it.

No they don't Tom.

Its hard to say what actually takes place in the minds of voters