is there a difference? - Page 2

Blueface · 10-20-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I also find that some cigarettes smell "worse" than others to me due to the different tobacco blends and, predominately, the different flavor and chemical additives used.

Clove cigarettes are the only ones that would get me to pack up and move at least 10-15 feet away. Not that they are "that bad" but just that they are so pungent that I find them distracting.

Now, some foreign cigarettes, that's a whole different story. Some of those smell just downright vile.

Just read recently that approximately 4,000 chemicals exude from a burning cigarette.
Scary!

Emjaysmash · 10-20-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Don't know if it has to do with being a former cigarette smoker who quit in 1988

I was born in 1989...man your OLD!

Kreth · 10-20-2009, 10:51 AM

I would agree that for the average cigar smoker, it's just a hobby. But, the average cigar smoker is the guy who picks up a couple of White Owls or Dutch Masters on the way to the golf course. I think most of the members here are far from the average cigar enthusiast.
On golfwrx.com (another forum I frequent) there are many members with a full-on club building workshops. They swap out shafts and try new equipment as often as the average golfer buys a new glove. Similarly, there are members here whose collections would put many B&Ms to shame. Hell, I have cigars in my humi that my local shop has never heard of, and I've just scratched the surface of what's out there.
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Blueface · 10-20-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

I was born in 1989...man your OLD!

Bastage!!!

Yeah, I am old and feel it.
50 hurts every morning as I awake. Hurst more as they day progresses.
Moral? Don't beat up on your body when young. It does come back to haunt you!!!

By the way, I was 29 at the time I quit.
Use to do up to two packs a day.
Started as a teenager to be cool like all the other idiots like me.
Tried to quit many times over. Went a day short of a year once on a bet with a friend. Won the bet as told him it looked like I was going to make it for sure. Shook hands that bet was off to spare him owing me the $100. As I was done shaking hands, lit the cigarette in front of him.

Powers · 10-20-2009, 10:58 AM

A big part of cigars is enjoying them with friends. U don't see cigarette smokers traveling to smoke together like BOTLs!

Blueface · 10-20-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UFPowersmoker320

A big part of cigars is enjoying them with friends. U don't see cigarette smokers traveling to smoke together like BOTLs!

While I totally understand what you mean, if you visit any office environment where smoking is not allowed, you see cigarette smokers congregating outside in designated smoking areas.
Some keep to themselves, some socialize.
Just not the same as with a cigar that takes a while to smoke.

Emjaysmash · 10-20-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

While I totally understand what you mean, if you visit any office environment where smoking is not allowed, you see cigarette smokers congregating outside in designated smoking areas.
Some keep to themselves, some socialize.
Just not the same as with a cigar that takes a while to smoke.

That kinda like girls always going to the bathroom in groups?

...I always wanted to know what they were talking about...

Powers · 10-20-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

That kinda like girls always going to the bathroom in groups?

...I always wanted to know what they were talking about...

Me to brother! Part of the mystery of women

T.G · 10-20-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Just read recently that approximately 4,000 chemicals exude from a burning cigarette.
Scary!

Yes, but what percentage are naturally occuring?

10-20-2009, 11:32 AM

H2O is one of the chemicals, so is CO2. 4000? Who counted?
The paper burning gets me. The smell, the burning in your eyes, the taste. Like smoldering newspaper. The flash dried tobacco is not the same as the cured tobacco in cigars either.

shark · 10-20-2009, 12:35 PM

i find it hard to tolerate cigarette smoke as well. it makes my nose run and my eyes burn.

Blueface · 10-20-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

H2O is one of the chemicals, so is CO2. 4000? Who counted?

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Tobacco companies reporting this information were:

American Tobacco Company
Brown and Williamson
Liggett Group, Inc.
Philip Morris Inc.
R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company

While these ingredients are approved as additives for foods, they were not tested by burning them, and it is the burning of many of these substances which changes their properties, often for the worse. Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.

K Baz · 10-20-2009, 01:06 PM

I will disagree I think that tolerance breeds tolerance.

If I tolerant the cig smoke which I am not a fan of maybe next time he is out he will tolerate my cigar smoke. Or maybe when he and his friends are out the will talk to them before they ask me to stop smoking.

Two last points. A cigarette takes 2 mins easy to deal so its more likey going to take longer to deal with the smoker then the smoke.

Plus I think that the cigar, pipe, cigarette, hookah, etc. need to stick together as much as possible - with what seems like everyone against us we need all the support we can get.

Adriftpanda · 10-20-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by K Baz

I will disagree I think that tolerance breeds tolerance.

If I tolerant the cig smoke which I am not a fan of maybe next time he is out he will tolerate my cigar smoke. Or maybe when he and his friends are out the will talk to them before they ask me to stop smoking.

Two last points. A cigarette takes 2 mins easy to deal so its more likey going to take longer to deal with the smoker then the smoke.

Plus I think that the cigar, pipe, cigarette, hookah, etc. need to stick together as much as possible - with what seems like everyone against us we need all the support we can get.

Very well said. Agreed on all points

T.G · 10-20-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Excerpt:
Tobacco companies reporting this information were:

American Tobacco Company
Brown and Williamson
Liggett Group, Inc.
Philip Morris Inc.
R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company

While these ingredients are approved as additives for foods, they were not tested by burning them, and it is the burning of many of these substances which changes their properties, often for the worse. Over 4000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette, many of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic. Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia are all present in cigarette smoke. Forty-three known carcinogens are in mainstream smoke, sidestream smoke, or both.

And how many of those known carcinogens are also found in cigar smoke, or any smoke for that matter? Most of them.

All smoke is packed full of various compounds, some is just worse than others.

10-20-2009, 01:57 PM

BBQed meat is loaded with known carcinogens. There are people who will only eat raw vegetables and drink purified water. They will not survive with the cockroaches when the end comes.

MajorCaptSilly · 10-20-2009, 02:07 PM

Not to change the subject too much but we I've wrestled with cigarette smokers vs. cigar smokers when it comes to rights. In the past, I was agitated by estblishments that allowed cigarette smoking but not cigars/pipes. This made me anti-cigarette. Now ALL smokers are getting hit by the anti-smokers. Now I feel that I have to stand up for all smokers rights in order to try to preserve mine.

MCS

Powers · 10-20-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly

Now I feel that I have to stand up for all smokers rights in order to try to preserve mine.

Despite personal preference, realpolitik must be the rule

macpappy · 10-20-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Volt

In part I agree, but guess I'm F'ed then. I can't spell, can't do more than 2 finger type so y'all are just gonna be stuck with what I have to offer. As many posts as some do or that I try to do, I would never equate an individuals IQ with their typing/spelling skills or their ability to function at a social function. Profiling or stereotyping, usually not gonna work out well for ya.

Yeah. But you are Navy so we'll overlook your shortcomings.

macpappy · 10-20-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash

That kinda like girls always going to the bathroom in groups?

...I always wanted to know what they were talking about...

I was raised with four sisters. Trust me. You don't want to know...

10-20-2009, 10:51 AM	#23
Kreth Ronin smoker Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Oneonta, NY Posts: 3,620 Trading: (14)	Re: is there a diffrence. I would agree that for the average cigar smoker, it's just a hobby. But, the average cigar smoker is the guy who picks up a couple of White Owls or Dutch Masters on the way to the golf course. I think most of the members here are far from the average cigar enthusiast. On golfwrx.com (another forum I frequent) there are many members with a full-on club building workshops. They swap out shafts and try new equipment as often as the average golfer buys a new glove. Similarly, there are members here whose collections would put many B&Ms to shame. Hell, I have cigars in my humi that my local shop has never heard of, and I've just scratched the surface of what's out there. Posted via Mobile Device

10-20-2009, 10:58 AM	#25
Powers Swamp Ash member in exile Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Michael Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas Posts: 2,283 Trading: (17)	Re: is there a diffrence. A big part of cigars is enjoying them with friends. U don't see cigarette smokers traveling to smoke together like BOTLs! __________________ "There is true glory and true honor: the glory of duty done, the honor of integrity and principle" - Robert E. Lee

10-20-2009, 11:32 AM	#30
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is there a diffrence. H2O is one of the chemicals, so is CO2. 4000? Who counted? The paper burning gets me. The smell, the burning in your eyes, the taste. Like smoldering newspaper. The flash dried tobacco is not the same as the cured tobacco in cigars either.

10-20-2009, 12:35 PM	#31
shark Cigar Smokin' Patriot Join Date: Sep 2009 First Name: Ron Location: Michigan Posts: 3,566 Trading: (0)	Re: is there a diffrence. i find it hard to tolerate cigarette smoke as well. it makes my nose run and my eyes burn. __________________ Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds

10-20-2009, 01:06 PM	#33
K Baz Just in front of theStorm Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Regina - it rhymes with fun Posts: 162 Trading: (1)	Re: is there a diffrence. I will disagree I think that tolerance breeds tolerance. If I tolerant the cig smoke which I am not a fan of maybe next time he is out he will tolerate my cigar smoke. Or maybe when he and his friends are out the will talk to them before they ask me to stop smoking. Two last points. A cigarette takes 2 mins easy to deal so its more likey going to take longer to deal with the smoker then the smoke. Plus I think that the cigar, pipe, cigarette, hookah, etc. need to stick together as much as possible - with what seems like everyone against us we need all the support we can get.

10-20-2009, 01:57 PM	#36
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is there a diffrence. BBQed meat is loaded with known carcinogens. There are people who will only eat raw vegetables and drink purified water. They will not survive with the cockroaches when the end comes.

10-20-2009, 02:07 PM	#37
MajorCaptSilly Sklee Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,523 Trading: (30)	Re: is there a diffrence. Not to change the subject too much but we I've wrestled with cigarette smokers vs. cigar smokers when it comes to rights. In the past, I was agitated by estblishments that allowed cigarette smoking but not cigars/pipes. This made me anti-cigarette. Now ALL smokers are getting hit by the anti-smokers. Now I feel that I have to stand up for all smokers rights in order to try to preserve mine. MCS __________________ Pillsbury, Minneapolis, Prince, Spoon Bridge and Cherry, coinkydink?