stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet - Page 16

SeanGAR · 03-11-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

The question would probably make him laugh so hard he could injure himself.

03-11-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

"Mr. Garcia, we've noticed that many times the cigars from our lounge are better than ones we buy online from the big guys. Is there a difference?"

Ranting and rambling in Spanish as a response.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

Fixed.

Don Pepin speaks no english. I've met with him twice once with Pete Johnson and Once with the head of 5 Vegas both times required someone to translate for me.

Col. Kurtz · 03-11-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

"Mr. Garcia, we've noticed that many times the cigars from our lounge are better than ones we buy online from the big guys. Is there a difference?"

"you and the rest of you bastards from your lounge down here to tour my factory get out. I can't believe you would ask such a question" followed by ranting and rambling in Spanish.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

Some others have covered this, but I said I wouldn't ask him. You can do what you want.

The implication is that he sells an inferior/different product to the online retailers and is less than honest. That would be an embarassing subject to broach for both, and if I were his guest, I wouldn't dare. I would not disrespect the man in his own house. Much less what will be lost in translation.

But hey, feel free to make an a$$ of yourself and let us know how it goes.

Not intended as a personal attack Legend, just my explanation / reasoning of my prior statement.

SeanGAR · 03-07-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

icehog3 · 03-07-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

Not to mention the Dark Lord.

03-07-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

MRN???

Stick · 03-07-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

MRN???

Min Ron Nee, author of "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars."

http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248

SeanGAR · 03-07-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

MRN???

I was being facetious with my statement.

MRN wraps cuban cigar boxes in zip lock bags to slow the aging process and supposedly IMPROVE the quality of the cigar during storage. So Mr. Ortega's explanation that a box wrapped in cello is not good for the cigars does not jive with what at least one respected Cuban cigar collector is doing.

But it does bring up another possible difference .. that the cigars in the B&M age faster because boxes are opened .. which isn't exactly age per se, but might affect the taste. So equal age 1 YO cigars, one that spent its life in a cello covered box, and the other that was in a B&M humidor might taste different for that reason.

MajorCaptSilly · 03-07-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face.

That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.

MCS

Whee · 03-07-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly

Do you really think that cigar manufacturers make varying quality cigars for B&Ms vs internet retailers? I just don't think that's possible. I do think that long-term storage can be a problem at some of the internet retailers. Many tend to keep cigars at higher humidity levels so they can ship better. If cigars are kept at over 70% humidity for long periods of time, I can see some chemical changes happening that could cause problems. I've also been at some B&M's with serious humidity issues. I just don't buy the fact that B&M's are getting "better" cigars.

MCS

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Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly

That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.

MCS

True story...post #8.

vudu9 · 03-07-2009, 04:35 PM

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Final thoughts: again just my opinion and I will still order and smoke internet cigars. But I think the makers know who their clients are and will give superior product to the local guys. It helps keep them in business when they can't compete price wise and reduces complaints.

It makes no sense to to me as a brand owner to send better product to one venue and so-so/inferior product to another. Everything I make I want to be perfect no matter where it ends up. I would imagine this rings true to all other manufacturers out there. It all has to be good all the time.

G G · 03-08-2009, 05:35 PM

Most people buy their grits at the grocery store. As far as cooking them I am no chef but grits are pretty easy to make. I guess you have to figure out what consistency you like em at is the hardest thing IMO.

Bruzee · 03-08-2009, 08:16 PM

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dunng · 03-08-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruzee

I do love (ok, maybe just strongly like) you guys, but this horse is DEAD!

Looking for this?

WildBlueSooner · 03-08-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dunng

Looking for this?

Looks more like a llama to me

dunng · 03-08-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Looks more like a llama to me

Better?

Whee · 03-08-2009, 08:42 PM

here's a 2fer...

03-09-2009, 08:12 AM

So do you smoke cigars marketed for France backwards? Lighting the head and puffing on the foot?

03-09-2009, 10:28 AM

I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.

03-09-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardcz

I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.

Last you piped in it was about Stogies with weed in 'em rasta bro.

03-08-2009, 05:35 PM	#12
G G BR549 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Taylor, FL. Posts: 12,748 Trading: (10)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet Most people buy their grits at the grocery store. As far as cooking them I am no chef but grits are pretty easy to make. I guess you have to figure out what consistency you like em at is the hardest thing IMO.

03-08-2009, 08:16 PM	#13
Bruzee Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: D Location: San Diego Posts: 1,508 Trading: (30)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet I do love (ok, maybe just strongly like) you guys, but this horse is DEAD! __________________

03-08-2009, 08:42 PM	#17
Whee formerly illinoishoosier Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Sean Location: Bishopville, SC Posts: 3,593 Trading: (17)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet here's a 2fer... __________________ "Maybe I'm wrong, when they tell me they're right…..naaaaahhhhhh, I'm an asshooooooleeee"--Denis Leary

03-09-2009, 08:12 AM	#18
Hardcz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet So do you smoke cigars marketed for France backwards? Lighting the head and puffing on the foot?

03-09-2009, 10:28 AM	#19
Hardcz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.