Packer fan thoughts

[Gophernut]

Originally Posted by shilala

It's like the NFL has no desire to be anything better than Jerry Springer.
Perhaps they think we're all just that stupid, and that's what we want?

I think the NFL is so arrogant that they think that no matter what happens, all us sheep will continue to attend games, and watch on TV. As much as it bothers me what is going on with the ref's, will it make me stop watching my team? No. Will it make me watch something else if my team isn't involved? Maybe. What will it take to get this situation fixed? If this isn't impetus enough to get it moving then I don't know what will. Will we still be crabbing about this in the playoffs? I sure hope not.

[pektel]

Will it hinder ticket sales enough to black out games that would normally be televised?

I mean, it's not a big deal to flip the channel on Sunday to check out the game. But entirely another thing to actually visit the venue and watch the debauchery live and in person. To me, it would have an effect on whether or not I buy a ticket, sit in traffic, pay $9 for a beer, etc.

[mosesbotbol]

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.

[sevans105]

Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs,” Packers guard T.J. Lang

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.

Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen.

[King James]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.

From my understanding, it was only reviewed to the extent that both players stayed in bounds and had the ball. A "simultaneous catch" cannot be changed by review, even if the ref was wrong to determine the play last night as a simultaneous catch, the fact that he did means the play cannot be changed.

Granted, I've been busy at school and away from a TV all day, so haven't heard anything else since last night.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by King James

From my understanding, it was only reviewed to the extent that both players stayed in bounds and had the ball. A "simultaneous catch" cannot be changed by review, even if the ref was wrong to determine the play last night as a simultaneous catch, the fact that he did means the play cannot be changed.

Granted, I've been busy at school and away from a TV all day, so haven't heard anything else since last night.

NFL's, "official" statement (emphasis mine):

In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

[TJarv]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

It was reviewed

[shilala]

If it takes the Packers getting screwed every week so that I don't have to hear about Tim Tebow anymore, I'm down.

[CigarNut]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen.

Originally Posted by shilala

If it takes the Packers getting screwed every week so that I don't have to hear about Tim Tebow anymore, I'm down.

Two great quotes!!

[OLS]

I sure am glad I am boycotting the entire NFL.

[TJarv]

Originally Posted by OLS

I sure am glad I am boycotting the entire NFL.

If this keeps up I'll join the cause

[mosesbotbol]

Can't wait for the familiar faces of the NFL ref's to come back.

Of course the NFL made the statement they did. I have to imagine Goodell realizes it was the wrong call, but he HAS to support the replacements. I love Drew Brees' comments, "Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?"

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen.

Only the defense!

Scott.....psssst.......Tim Tebow.

[IBQTEE1]

Yep the Packers have the ball.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by IBQTEE1

Yep the Packers have the ball.

And thanks to the refs, the loss.

[mkarnold1]

Interesting, the rule book makes no differentiation between field of play and the end zone. They will need to add that in there if that is the official take. Thanks for the heads up.

[King James]

It breaks down to this, IMO:
1) the play was called incorrectly
2) its not going to be changed
3) the replacement refs are not qualified to call the games
4) the NFL doesn't care, because they are still making $