Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) - Page 126

gliderryder · 01-20-2015, 10:24 AM

I do not have a separate hygrometer. I thought that the electric humidifier was a hygrometer as well as a humidifier. So going forward I guess I will get a digital hygrometer and go from there.

CigarNut · 01-20-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gliderryder

I do not have a separate hygrometer. I thought that the electric humidifier was a hygrometer as well as a humidifier. So going forward I guess I will get a digital hygrometer and go from there.

Think of the control on the electric humidifier as a "suggestion"; some are more accurate than others, but I would never rely on that alone.

I'm a fan of the HygroSet hygrometers but the Xikar Hygrometers are also very good.

gliderryder · 01-20-2015, 10:45 AM

great I will order a digital Hygrometer and hopefully that will take care of my problem. Thanks so much for your suggestions. It is hard starting out. I have been smoking cigs on and off for years but only recently have been getting into storing my own.

jjirons69 · 01-20-2015, 12:45 PM

Just my little piece of advice.

I got 65%RH beads from Heartfelt many years ago. Keep a fourth of the beads translucent and the RH sticks at 65%. I have a digital Western Caliber RH meter but since getting the beads, I really don't need it. It's just a weekly validation everything still works. My advice, get some good, reliable beads and the meter it really not needed. Less humid is getter than more.

gliderryder · 01-21-2015, 10:19 AM

Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. I will order some beads and give it a try.

gliderryder · 01-22-2015, 07:09 AM

are there any humidifier beads out there that are better than the other??????????????????

CigarNut · 01-22-2015, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gliderryder

are there any humidifier beads out there that are better than the other??????????????????

It's a one of those "religious" issues -- everyone has their opinions and facts. I am biased in favor of HCM Beads, but Heartfelt beads are also very good.

As far as I know these are the only two good bead products on the market.

CdnStogie · 01-22-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gliderryder

are there any humidifier beads out there that are better than the other??????????????????

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Originally Posted by CigarNut

It's a one of those "religious" issues -- everyone has their opinions and facts. I am biased in favor of HCM Beads, but Heartfelt beads are also very good.

As far as I know these are the only two good bead products on the market.

If you want to consider silica kitty litter.... this works well too :-)

pnoon · 01-22-2015, 09:41 AM

Opinions vary.

Porch Dweller · 01-22-2015, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CigarNut

It's a one of those "religious" issues -- everyone has their opinions and facts. I am biased in favor of HCM Beads, but Heartfelt beads are also very good.

As far as I know these are the only two good bead products on the market.

+1
I use Heartfelt because they were the first beads I'd ever heard of and they work for me. Others prefer HCM. Really, you can't go wrong with either.

Flynnster · 01-22-2015, 12:02 PM

Just as long as it's one of those two, and some of the others ones only let water out, or only suck water back in. These do both.

AdamJoshua · 01-22-2015, 12:58 PM

KL is made to absorb not release moisture.

That's being said, I'm a Shilala (HCM) bead fan.

gliderryder · 01-22-2015, 01:23 PM

thanks all for the input.

Flynnster · 01-22-2015, 02:55 PM

Hey Gliderryder, have you gotten a copy of our newsletter yet? If not send me a PM with your address and I'll get you on the mailing list.

gliderryder · 01-27-2015, 10:21 AM

OK I bought a digital hygrometer that also displays the temp. So my electric oasis humidifier is reading around 72%, my analog hygrometer is reading 69% and my new digital hygrometer is reading 57%. I am so baffled here. I haven't bought any beads yet but that is my next step. Any help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH BTW the temp on the digital hygrometer is right on the money.

pnoon · 01-27-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gliderryder

OK I bought a digital hygrometer that also displays the temp. So my electric oasis humidifier is reading around 72%, my analog hygrometer is reading 69% and my new digital hygrometer is reading 57%. I am so baffled here. I haven't bought any beads yet but that is my next step. Any help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH BTW the temp on the digital hygrometer is right on the money.

1. Have you calibrated the digital hygrometer?
2. Buy the beads
3. Ignore the analog hygrometer

CdnStogie · 01-27-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CdnStogie

If you want to consider silica kitty litter.... this works well too :-)

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Opinions vary.

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

KL is made to absorb not release moisture.

That's being said, I'm a Shilala (HCM) bead fan.

I have been using silica KL for a about 4 months now. My cooler has not moved from 68%. No maintenance. Made to asorb only or not is immaterial if it is holding the RH where you want it.

That being said, it does take up a bunch more space than the the HF or the like. I have my humidor with the KL as well (put the KL in a aquarium filter sock) and but going to be removing that and using boveda packs to get my space back.

T.G · 01-27-2015, 12:28 PM

Is it really necessary to have yet another beads vs KL debate here? There are dozens of threads elsewhere in the forum on it already.

CdnStogie · 01-27-2015, 03:57 PM

how long will a box of cigars last outside of a humidor w/o any humidification/ziplock etc?

Friend will be coming back from down South with a couple boxes and curious.

Not worried if they have to sit for a few weeks - more to when will they will not be back to full health.

T.G · 01-27-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CdnStogie

how long will a box of cigars last outside of a humidor w/o any humidification/ziplock etc?

Friend will be coming back from down South with a couple boxes and curious.

Not worried if they have to sit for a few weeks - more to when will they will not be back to full health.

There's no real set/absolute answer here because there are many variables at play; how moist the cigars are at the beginning, are they in cello or not, does the box seal well, the material of the box, is the box wrapped in shrink wrap, what temperature and humidity the ambient conditions are, etc.

Cigars get shipped coast to coast in the back of a UPS truck by vendors here, that's 7-10 days in transit and often without the benefits of humidification or additional sealed bagging, and they are usually fine.

They could be out of the humidor for days and take months to recover, or vice versa, it's really hard to say.

All I can suggest is take a look at them when you get them. If the seem overly dry or too moist, then leave them in your humidor until they seem ok, then leave them there a bit longer. If they don't seem too dry or too moist when you get them, you can smoke one and see.

01-20-2015, 10:24 AM	#2501
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) I do not have a separate hygrometer. I thought that the electric humidifier was a hygrometer as well as a humidifier. So going forward I guess I will get a digital hygrometer and go from there.

01-20-2015, 10:45 AM	#2503
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) great I will order a digital Hygrometer and hopefully that will take care of my problem. Thanks so much for your suggestions. It is hard starting out. I have been smoking cigs on and off for years but only recently have been getting into storing my own.

01-20-2015, 12:45 PM	#2504
jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Just my little piece of advice. I got 65%RH beads from Heartfelt many years ago. Keep a fourth of the beads translucent and the RH sticks at 65%. I have a digital Western Caliber RH meter but since getting the beads, I really don't need it. It's just a weekly validation everything still works. My advice, get some good, reliable beads and the meter it really not needed. Less humid is getter than more. __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

01-21-2015, 10:19 AM	#2505
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Thanks Jamie, much appreciated. I will order some beads and give it a try.

01-22-2015, 07:09 AM	#2506
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) are there any humidifier beads out there that are better than the other??????????????????

01-22-2015, 09:41 AM	#2509
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Opinions vary. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

01-22-2015, 12:02 PM	#2511
Flynnster Life's too short Swishers Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Middle of the Mitten Posts: 787 Trading: (7)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Just as long as it's one of those two, and some of the others ones only let water out, or only suck water back in. These do both.

01-22-2015, 12:58 PM	#2512
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) KL is made to absorb not release moisture. That's being said, I'm a Shilala (HCM) bead fan.

01-22-2015, 01:23 PM	#2513
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) thanks all for the input.

01-22-2015, 02:55 PM	#2514
Flynnster Life's too short Swishers Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Middle of the Mitten Posts: 787 Trading: (7)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Hey Gliderryder, have you gotten a copy of our newsletter yet? If not send me a PM with your address and I'll get you on the mailing list.

01-27-2015, 10:21 AM	#2515
gliderryder Just in from the Storm Join Date: Jan 2015 First Name: Robert Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12 Trading: (0)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) OK I bought a digital hygrometer that also displays the temp. So my electric oasis humidifier is reading around 72%, my analog hygrometer is reading 69% and my new digital hygrometer is reading 57%. I am so baffled here. I haven't bought any beads yet but that is my next step. Any help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH BTW the temp on the digital hygrometer is right on the money.

01-27-2015, 12:28 PM	#2518
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) Is it really necessary to have yet another beads vs KL debate here? There are dozens of threads elsewhere in the forum on it already.

01-27-2015, 03:57 PM	#2519
CdnStogie Fooore! Join Date: Mar 2014 First Name: Jeff Location: Ontario Posts: 153 Trading: (2)	Re: Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!) how long will a box of cigars last outside of a humidor w/o any humidification/ziplock etc? Friend will be coming back from down South with a couple boxes and curious. Not worried if they have to sit for a few weeks - more to when will they will not be back to full health.