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[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by pektel

white zin

Don't knock it, probably 40% of Beringer's business.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Don't knock it, probably 40% of Beringer's business.

White Zin is what saved CA wine.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

White Zin is what saved CA wine.

Saved it from what?

Its no where near the sales volume of Chard, Merlot and Cab in the grand scheme of things.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Saved it from what?

Its no where near the sales volume of Chard, Merlot and Cab in the grand scheme of things.

It's 8% right now in sales volume and has been big when wine wasn't as big. Perhaps "saved" isn't the best word, but CA wine industry would not be anywhere like it is without White Zin.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by pektel

white zin

cigarmonkel could be drinking La Tache & Mouton for all we know.

[pektel]

Probably. They sell the sh*t out of Kia's too.

[TheRiddick]

Forgot to add that it is eye opening to me just how many people are surprised when I start pouring a bottle of Zinfandel and they go: "Why is this wine RED?" When I tell them its a red grape they think I am joking...

[maverickdrinker]

best place to start is winespectator.com. cellartracker.com is a good site as well.

Good luck!!! This slip is just as hard as cigars. Both very expensive habits but sooooooo fun.

[pektel]

i am NOT drinking any f*cking merlot!
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[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by pektel

i am NOT drinking any f*cking merlot!
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Let me ask you if you understood the point of the movie? Sadly, about 1% of the people got it, all serious wine geeks.

So, what was it?

[pektel]

loaded question there. You need to make it more specific. From which point of view do you want me to give my perspective? In reference to the main character self medicating trying to forget the ex? Or some overlying tone of now is the perfect time? or something as simple as thomas hayden church can still rock the screen? i don.t think you can just say "the point of the movie is" without making it relative to something. but i'll tell you one thing. That 61 chevel was drank exactly how it should've been.
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[pektel]

if you just want to look at the main character, he does know his wine but user it as a crutch to deal with his midlife crisis instead of enjoyment of a well made product as most other characters in the movie do. It's a complete contradiction to what the wine hobby is all about. i don.t believe he is a wine connosieur, but an alcoholic who prefers to drink wine.
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[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by pektel

if you just want to look at the main character, he does know his wine but user it as a crutch to deal with his midlife crisis instead of enjoyment of a well made product as most other characters in the movie do. It's a complete contradiction to what the wine hobby is all about. i don.t believe he is a wine connosieur, but an alcoholic who prefers to drink wine.
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Irony/Sarcasm/Self denial Point:

Mies most prized possession, a bottle of Cheval Blanc is not even made from Pinot Noir, its made in Bordeaux (Pinot is not even grown there). Worse yet, Cheval Blanc is made from 2 different grapes, Cabernet Franc and yes, MERLOT.

Not mocking nor picking on anyone, the movie script should/could have been better done to at least explain this to movie goers. As is, almost no one got the real point save for remembering the "I won't drink no fffing Merlot!" catch phrase.

The movie has done great harm to Pinot Noir producers AND consumers when all of a sudden wineries who looked down at Pinot Noir (think Napa wineries and their "Pinot is crap" mantra for decades) and then jumped in making very expensive and sub-par Pinot only because it caught traction in the market place. Quality, in general, went down while prices went up and these days you really need to know what you're buying (Pinot wise) as opposed to having almost no bad Pinot Noir wines on retail shelves prior to when the movie came out. Oh well...

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Irony/Sarcasm/Self denial Point:

Mies most prized possession, a bottle of Cheval Blanc is not even made from Pinot Noir, its made in Bordeaux (Pinot is not even grown there). Worse yet, Cheval Blanc is made from 2 different grapes, Cabernet Franc and yes, MERLOT.

Just as CA has turned out a ton of cheap Merlot, they have made many excellent ones too. Stags Leap is 1st brand I think of that has great Merlot in general. Merlot as you mentioned is a base grape in BDX. I am fan of Cab Franc too! Not so many are fans of straight Cab Franc wines; leave them for me!

Many of the joke in Sideways probably escaped 90% of the movie goers.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Just as CA has turned out a ton of cheap Merlot, they have made many excellent ones too. Stags Leap is 1st brand I think of that has great Merlot in general. Merlot as you mentioned is a base grape in BDX. I am fan of Cab Franc too! Not so many are fans of straight Cab Franc wines; leave them for me!

Many of the joke in Sideways probably escaped 90% of the movie goers.

Duckhorn, by far, Merlot was and is their claim to fame, although they branched out lately into, you guessed it, Pinot Noir (Mendocino). Merlot can be great when done right, like anything else. Cab Franc, same as for Merlot, needs decent heat to ripen properly, both sometimes taste green and vegetal when underripe. I am guessing you're drinking Loire Cab Francs? Some are excellent.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

I am guessing you're drinking Loire Cab Francs? Some are excellent.

Was that really a guess? You bet I am!

[pektel]

that being said, I.m very drunk off a frei brothers chard that - as fate would have it - I.m drinking by myself since the girlfriend fell asleep shortly after opening.
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[cigarmonkel]

Originally Posted by pektel

that being said, I.m very drunk off a frei brothers chard that - as fate would have it - I.m drinking by myself since the girlfriend fell asleep shortly after opening.
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+1 more wine for you!

[pektel]

I.m not complaining! Though a hang over thread may be in order tomorrow.
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[cigarmonkel]

Originally Posted by pektel

I.m not complaining! Though a hang over thread may be in order tomorrow.
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i'm lucky, my hangovers consist of nothing more then the brain dead. a bad one is a little sick to the stomach and a head ache but nothing more.

Knock on wood.