iphone 4 just announced.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by JE3146

Doubtful, would eliminate the need to spend more money (lots) on a device with a few bucks worth of added memory

I fully realize that, and depending on which side of the sales/marketing/engineering fence your views are on, one can see the lack of the upgrade slot as a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I'm not thrilled with the possible lack of one.

I was wondering/asking if anyone had actually seen the full specs yet to confirm that it, like the 3G, was lacking the memory card slot.
(can't load Apple's website or engadget here - too painfull waiting for the pages to load via the remote)

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by T.G

I fully realize that, and depending on which side of the sales/marketing/engineering fence your views are on, one can see the lack of the upgrade slot as a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I'm not thrilled with the possible lack of one.

I was wondering/asking if anyone had actually seen the full specs yet to confirm that it, like the 3G, was lacking the memory card slot.
(can't load Apple's website or engadget here - too painfull waiting for the pages to load via the remote)

No memory card slot. Confirmed via the Tech Specs on Apple's page.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by The Professor

No memory card slot. Confirmed via the Tech Specs on Apple's page.

Here is the tech page.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

[Blueface]

Check this video out.
Supposedly the best display ever.Clicky

[JE3146]

I figure if I'm gonna be mocked for my statements, I might as well make statements worth mocking

Originally Posted by JE3146

I figure if I'm gonna be mocked for my statements, I might as well make statements worth mocking

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

[newcigarz]

Originally Posted by ScottishSmoker

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

oh well, here we go again.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by newcigarz

oh well, here we go again.

Word.

Maybe I should just be responding with total fanboyisms to counter the naysayers.

[newcigarz]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Word.

Maybe I should just be responding with total fanboyisms to counter the naysayers.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by ScottishSmoker

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

I guess you can only say things like that for so long. When Apple *does* start taking a bite out of the PC market and out of the enterprise phone market -- as it *has* -- then your objections kind of ring hollow. Apple has a pretty darned successful platform that a lot of people *like* because, well, it works and offers a pleasing experience. I think that's why more and more people are buying Apple products.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by The Professor

I guess you can only say things like that for so long. When Apple *does* start taking a bite out of the PC market and out of the enterprise phone market -- as it *has* -- then your objections kind of ring hollow. Apple has a pretty darned successful platform that a lot of people *like* because, well, it works and offers a pleasing experience. I think that's why more and more people are buying Apple products.

PC market I can't see, Mac's are simply too expensive for most people to buy as the cheap commodity the average consumer expects a computer to be now. Mac's will always be a niche market primarily targeted at graphic and video industry professionals and urbanite wannabee's with too much money looking for the "in" fashion accessory.

iPhone on the other hand...... RIM better pull up their innovation panties and bring out something pretty damn phenomenal in the next 6 to 12 months if they want to remain competitive with iPhone and Droid. Both platforms are making serious in-roads into the enterprise market, primarily iPhone right now but Droid's coming up quickly. In the last survey I saw 7 of every 10 current Blackberry users are planning on dropping their BB in favour of either an iPhone or a Droid when their mobile contract is next up for renewal. Given that Blackberry has failed miserably to penetrate the consumer space it any large degree the writing is on the wall for them if they can't figure out how to protect their lock on the enterprise market...... and having 70% of their core user base wanting to jump ship is certainly NOT the way to achieve that.

Originally Posted by ScottishSmoker

I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

Everyone else to RIM: the world moved on from the days when simple email and calendar were the "killer apps" in the handheld space a long long time ago. EVERYONE does that now, hell Palm did it before BB with the Palm 4 and look were they are now. With ActiveSync now being embedded in Exchange2007 RIM's big advantage pver iPhone and Droid (ie. BES) is gone, and BES was the one of the primary reasons for enterprise adopting BB in the first place. While there is an awful lot of really stupid and/or trivial apps published for the iPhone, most people do want a hell of a lot more out of their mobile devices than just email/calendar and frankly trying to do much more than email or calendar on a Blackberry makes smoking a Cremosa look enjoyable by comparison.

Innovate or die, that's the rule of tech and RIM is quickly becoming the next Palm.......

[newcigarz]

pretty good comparison chart done by PCWorld. hopefully we can stay on track today.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

PC market I can't see, Mac's are simply too expensive for most people to buy as the cheap commodity the average consumer expects a computer to be now. Mac's will always be a niche market primarily targeted at graphic and video industry professionals and urbanite wannabee's with too much money looking for the "in" fashion accessory.

Whether you see it or not, it's happening. It's exactly this attitude that hurting PC makers and Microsoft, for that matter. You're stuck with a *very* outdated view of Macs that simply doesn't fit the reality of the current situation. Furthermore, you're stuck with some bad math that doesn't really take software and user productivity into consideration. There's very good evidence out there to show that iPods and iPhones have become the Mac gateway drug: average people use them, like them, and then check out the computer and have the same experience. That's been the case for more than a dozen of my friends and, as of this new buying cycle, just about every colleague in my department (they're nearly all replacing their Dells with Macs ... and we are a Dell campus in significant ways).

Anyway, I don't even know why I feel compelled to rehash an argument that's been going on for a couple of decades and is totally outmoded. Some people just "can't see" ... but I think that's mainly because they refuse to open their eyes.

[Dooge]

saving up and buying one.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by ScottishSmoker

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

Why can't people understand it is because we like their products. If we do, what is wrong with that? Can't it be like you like Mercedes and I like BMW and why should any of that be "comical"? Where on this thread does it say Steve Jobs is the best in the world as in your Opus X analogy?

Originally Posted by newcigarz

oh well, here we go again.

Won't end.

[Dooge]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Why can't people understand it is because we like their products. If we do, what is wrong with that? Can't it be like you like Mercedes and I like BMW and why should any of that be "comical"? Where on this thread does it say Steve Jobs is the best in the world as in your Opus X analogy?



Won't end.

Agreed. People should just come to the conclusion that others do, in fact, like the devices. That's why they sell. I don't enjoy the fanboy conversations usually. Granted, SJ is a bit of a tit at times but makes some awesome devices.

[Dooge]

Worlds. Best. Picture.

He has a banana in his groin area.

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by Dooge

Worlds. Best. Picture.

He has a banana in his groin area.

He's excited to see Steve Jobs...

[T.G]

Originally Posted by JE3146

He's excited to see Steve Jobs...

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by T.G

Steve 'Jobs' isn't only his name, it also describes his skill set.

That's a lot to get excited over ... apparently..