How do you describe Complexity?? - Page 2

ODLS1 · 04-01-2010, 10:09 PM

In cigars (and beer especially for me), complexity is a multitude of flavors and aromas blending together nicely, but not forming a single flavor or aroma. It is something that has many aspects to it. You may not be able to decipher each flavor and aroma, but it should be noticeable that there are many there.

stearns · 04-02-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ODLS1

In cigars (and beer especially for me), complexity is a multitude of flavors and aromas blending together nicely, but not forming a single flavor or aroma. It is something that has many aspects to it. You may not be able to decipher each flavor and aroma, but it should be noticeable that there are many there.

wow, i read the first post and couldnt think of a way to word my definition of the word, but this hit the nail on the head perfectly (in my opinion). well done

stearns

ODLS1 · 04-02-2010, 10:35 AM

Thank ya sir!

Havanaaddict · 04-02-2010, 12:15 PM

Complex- Means to me multiple rich flavours coating my palate!!!

wayner123 · 04-03-2010, 11:29 AM

Very interesting on some of the replies. Personally, if a cigar has a nice set of flavors that are balanced, I describe the cigar as balanced not complex. But that is what it means to ME. I do like T.G.'s response of dynamic vs complex and maybe that is more in line to how I should describe it.

To me balance seems more of the multiple flavors that combine and i can't pick out some, but it's still all in "balance" to me.

Where as complex, I can describe or pick out each flavor.

LOL, but that's backwards it seems to most of the replies so far. I really enjoy the replies. Sometimes words are used and they can have certain meanings based on a person's understanding of it. And that may not translate well to someone who smokes that same cigar and finds it "different" for lack of a better term.

SmokinApe · 04-04-2010, 07:56 AM

Can a terrible cigar be called complex? For example if it has a layering of multiple flavors; cat piss, old cardboard, gas fumes and paint... is it complex?

St. Lou Stu · 04-04-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

Can a terrible cigar be called complex? For example if it has a layering of multiple flavors; cat piss, old cardboard, gas fumes and paint... is it complex?

Reading through this whole thread and I agree with the complex is a variety of different flavors coming throughout the duration of the cigar, sometimes multiple flavors at once.
That said, yes, bad cigars can have complexity. Complexity isn't always enjoyable. Just like chics.... complex can be good.... or crazy bad.

I had a Sig II the other evening that was either too young or sick and it was complex, but shitty. Almonds, Tannin, Wet Hay, and Citrus throughout I could pick em all out, but bitter Almond and tannin killed it.

04-04-2010, 08:15 AM

IMO, Yes, a dog-rocket can still be complex. Taste is subjective.

SmokinApe · 04-04-2010, 02:29 PM

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IMO, Yes, a dog-rocket can still be complex. Taste is subjective.

Interesting, I have only heard "complex" used to describe what were reported to be "good" cigars...

I like to use words to describe cigars that cannot be contextualized; twangy, oomph, rich, chewy and of course complex... If these words are subject to individual interpretation, as discussed with complex, what is the purpose of using them...? It would seem they present no consumable value to the target audience...

icehog3 · 04-04-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

Interesting, I have only heard "complex" used to describe what were reported to be "good" cigars...

I like to use words to describe cigars that cannot be contextualized; twangy, oomph, rich, chewy and of course complex... If these words are subject to individual interpretation, as discussed with complex, what is the purpose of using them...? It would seem they present no consumable value to the target audience...

I think some people, epecially through shared experience (like smoking the same cigars, or Puff-Puff-Passes), may have shared interpretations of words like "complex", "chewy" and "rich", among others. Subjective, yes, but exclusionary? I don't think so.

Twang? I don't like that one.

SmokinApe · 04-04-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I think some people, epecially through shared experience (like smoking the same cigars, or Puff-Puff-Passes), may have shared interpretations of words like "complex", "chewy" and "rich", among others. Subjective, yes, but exclusionary? I don't think so.

Twang? I don't like that one.

Good point about shared experiences... I do get a chuckle when I hear some descriptions tho... "I was blessed with a rich and chewey smoke that finished with a complex twang."

Oh and about a cigar tasting twangy, prolly better than tasting wangy...

icehog3 · 04-04-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

Oh and about a cigar tasting twangy, prolly better than tasting wangy...

True dat.

68TriShield · 04-04-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

Good point about shared experiences... I do get a chuckle when I hear some descriptions tho... "I was blessed with a rich and chewey smoke that finished with a complex twang."

Oh and about a cigar tasting twangy, prolly better than tasting wangy...

And Jeremy knows wangy...

wolfandwhisky · 04-04-2010, 06:08 PM

I agree with Tim - while I think complex is generally used to describe a positive aspect of a cigar, it needs explanation - just like Tim's explanation of the Sig II.

Dog rockets can be complex - don't believe me? Feed your dog a buffet and wait...

04-01-2010, 10:09 PM	#1
ODLS1 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 226 Trading: (1)	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? In cigars (and beer especially for me), complexity is a multitude of flavors and aromas blending together nicely, but not forming a single flavor or aroma. It is something that has many aspects to it. You may not be able to decipher each flavor and aroma, but it should be noticeable that there are many there.

04-02-2010, 10:35 AM	#3
ODLS1 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 226 Trading: (1)	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? Thank ya sir!

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Havanaaddict Man in Black!!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: V.I.P Room Partagas Factory Posts: 3,511 Trading: (1)	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? Complex- Means to me multiple rich flavours coating my palate!!! __________________ "If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions." "Hav-a-na nice day"

04-03-2010, 11:29 AM	#5
wayner123 Country Gentleman Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Deltona, FL Posts: 2,351 Trading: (159)	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? Very interesting on some of the replies. Personally, if a cigar has a nice set of flavors that are balanced, I describe the cigar as balanced not complex. But that is what it means to ME. I do like T.G.'s response of dynamic vs complex and maybe that is more in line to how I should describe it. To me balance seems more of the multiple flavors that combine and i can't pick out some, but it's still all in "balance" to me. Where as complex, I can describe or pick out each flavor. LOL, but that's backwards it seems to most of the replies so far. I really enjoy the replies. Sometimes words are used and they can have certain meanings based on a person's understanding of it. And that may not translate well to someone who smokes that same cigar and finds it "different" for lack of a better term. __________________ 'It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife; But every fool will be quarrelling.'

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04-04-2010, 08:15 AM	#8
pitbulljimmy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? IMO, Yes, a dog-rocket can still be complex. Taste is subjective.

04-04-2010, 06:08 PM	#14
wolfandwhisky Resident Whisky Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 First Name: Matt Location: Arizona Posts: 521 Trading: (4)	Re: How do you describe Complexity?? I agree with Tim - while I think complex is generally used to describe a positive aspect of a cigar, it needs explanation - just like Tim's explanation of the Sig II. Dog rockets can be complex - don't believe me? Feed your dog a buffet and wait...