Are cuban cigars really the best? - Page 4

UPHOTO · 09-27-2009, 02:05 PM

Who cares where they are from?

Smoke what you like.

My favorite cigars are Monte #4's, Opus and Padron 26.

Love the options.

T.G · 09-27-2009, 02:22 PM

Are CC's better?

"Better" is really a personal judgement, to some they are, to others they aren't.

One thing that they most definitely are is unique.
Just as Nicaraguan puros, Honduran puros, Dominican puros (etc) are all unique.
Each one of these countries produces tobacco with unique flavors and characteristics - you won't find Cuban twang in a Nicaraguan puro, no more than you will find Nicaraguan pepper & sheer power or Honduran spice in a Cuban cigar.

All you can do is keep trying cigars until you find the ones that you like - at that point, you have found what is "better". It might be a $2 cigar or $10 cigar. It's all about what you like, not what someone else likes, since you are the one smoking it.

Noodles · 09-27-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerdodger

newbie here
never tried one, not sure if id apreciate it anyway.
are they much better than the $15 and up cigars than we can currently purchase?

Taste is very subjective. It's like asking if French Red wines are much better than California cabs. Only you can answer our own question.

jerseystepup · 09-27-2009, 03:38 PM

When i first started smoking... it didnt make a difference to me at all.. in fact if i smoked 2 unbanded cigars.. i wouldnt be able to tell which was NC and which was the CC... now that my palate is more refined, and i know what i like, I can say that i have a taste for cubans..

my father in law however.. who has been smoking twice as long as me, and got me into cigars, isnt a fan of CC's.. and when i offer him one would rather smoke his own...

jerseystepup · 09-27-2009, 04:14 PM

I sat here watching tv thinking about this thread even more.. and IDK why threads like this bother me.. they definatly shouldnt.. but if you think about it.. tobacco is tobacco... Pete Johnson claims to use only first generation cuban seed, but in a difft climate.. there are going to be GREAT cubans, and theyre are going to be TERRBILE cubans.. same goes for NC's.. its a matter of your palate picking out a taste it likes... After all people have said in this thread.. theres people in countries where cc's are legal, yet they prefer NC's just because theres so much more out there to explore... rant rant rant... and everything i said here as already been said in this thread more than once.. so as previously mentioned.. "smoke what you like and like what you smoke" Dont get hung up on something just because its "cuban" or not..

09-27-2009, 04:17 PM

is the left of the right boobie better ?

T.G · 09-27-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

is the left of the right boobie better ?

I prefer the one in the middle.

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pnoon · 09-27-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red

is the left of the right boobie better ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G

I prefer the one in the middle.

Let's try and keep this on topic.

e-man67 · 09-27-2009, 06:10 PM

They are just a different taste...nothing can replace it...but there are NC's just as good if not better IMO. I love and appreciate it all.

jerseystepup · 09-27-2009, 04:36 PM

High Five for sneaking in a total recall refrence.. Lets ask Arnold this question

T.G · 09-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseystepup

High Five for sneaking in a total recall refrence.. Lets ask Arnold this question

Arnold smokes both Cuban and Non-Cuban cigars, all of which tend to have one thing in common: they are all silly expensive.

King James · 09-27-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

they are all silly expensive.

are non-vintage regular production cubans really that much more expensive than good NCs? Like say a brown label Tatuaje which is around $10 a stick average I'd say.

T.G · 09-27-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King James

are non-vintage regular production cubans really that much more expensive than good NCs? Like say a brown label Tatuaje which is around $10 a stick average I'd say.

I was specifically talking about Governor Schwarzenegger's cigar choices, maybe you should ask him.

King James · 09-27-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G

I was specifically talking about Governor Schwarzenegger's cigar choices.

Try not to take things out of context, chop the quotes up and then expect an answer because you're not going to get one.

Sorry... I was unaware the Governator discussed his smoking preferences with you directly

and apparently you didn't catch the sarcasm in my previous post

09-27-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G

I was specifically talking about Governor Schwarzenegger's cigar choices.

Try not to take things out of context, chop the quotes up and then expect an answer because you're not going to get one.

I don't think James meant to chop your quote up. And for what it's worth, while the Governator may smoke NC"S that are "silly expensive", most non-vintage cubans are not, which I believe is James point.

PV1191 · 09-27-2009, 04:38 PM

Short answer is NO

Tarks · 09-27-2009, 05:46 PM

Would it be safe to say that most people are not comparing apples to apples in this discussion? I mean, in most conversations that I have had on this topic the discussion usually ends up comparing a $10-$20 NC to the average $3-$5 cc. What does this tell me. It tells me that on average cc's are a far more superior cigar to the nc for the money.

I agree that cc's tend to have more issues with construction but only at the lower end cigars such as HdM PE's, RyJ Mille Fleurs, Party Shorts etc. The premium cc's in the $10-$20 range don't have construction issues anymore than the premium nc's.

If we compared both cc's and nc's in the average price range of $5/stick there would be no doubt in my mind what I would be taking. The cc all day long.

markem · 09-27-2009, 06:02 PM

I find this thread amazing. It seems to me that nothing brings out the knives faster than the old "NC v. CC" debate, er, discussion. This thread is continuing in that long and predictable tradition.

To me, the best cigar, at any price, is the one you like. Knowing that others like a cigar that you can't stand doesn't make that cigar a better fit for you or you an inferior chooser of cigars. In the end, you have to smoke the cigar, so it actually a deeply personal experience based on taste and enjoyment and all the many, many factors that affect that. In the end, like or dislike of a cigar is subjective and in the moment. It should not be up for a vote, IMO.

It doesn't matter if massive numbers of people post about liking one over the other. In the end, it is all about what the smoker likes at the moment. If the cigar currently lit isn't doing it, well, then it is an inferior cigar, no matter how many times the same box has yielded stellar results in the past. That's the beauty of this little hobby - something new around every bend in the river.

I also like that I can sit around with someone smoking grape swisher sweet and one smoking a 1492 and we can all enjoy our smokes and have a great time just reveling in our cigar. We are all equal - just sitting around smoking what makes us happy.

I encourage everyone to expand their palates and try something new. Who knows, you might find something you like. It may be a CC or an NC, but if it doesn't do it for you, please don't try to take away the enjoyment of those for whom it is a good cigar. It is only being polite.

bobarian · 09-27-2009, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem

I find this thread amazing.
I also like that I can sit around with someone smoking grape swisher sweet and one smoking a 1492 and we can all enjoy our smokes and have a great time just reveling in our cigar. We are all equal - just sitting around smoking what makes us happy.

I encourage everyone to expand their palates and try something new. Who knows, you might find something you like. It may be a CC or an NC, but if it doesn't do it for you, please don't try to take away the enjoyment of those for whom it is a good cigar. It is only being polite.

You roll with an interesting crowd, my friend!

T.G · 09-27-2009, 05:50 PM

BTW, I don't think Arnold smokes anything that costs less than about $20-25/cigar.

As for the rest of us, meh, whatever you like, you smoke. I've never gotten into the is "such-and-such" a $10 NC better than a "this or that" $7 Cuban debate, or vice-versa at $7 and $10, or whatever, so I'm not going to start now. I think it's a silly argument.

09-27-2009, 02:05 PM	#1
UPHOTO . Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Aaron Location: Reno, NV Posts: 279 Trading: (7)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? Who cares where they are from? Smoke what you like. My favorite cigars are Monte #4's, Opus and Padron 26. Love the options.

09-27-2009, 02:22 PM	#2
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,565 Trading: (37)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? Are CC's better? "Better" is really a personal judgement, to some they are, to others they aren't. One thing that they most definitely are is unique. Just as Nicaraguan puros, Honduran puros, Dominican puros (etc) are all unique. Each one of these countries produces tobacco with unique flavors and characteristics - you won't find Cuban twang in a Nicaraguan puro, no more than you will find Nicaraguan pepper & sheer power or Honduran spice in a Cuban cigar. All you can do is keep trying cigars until you find the ones that you like - at that point, you have found what is "better". It might be a $2 cigar or $10 cigar. It's all about what you like, not what someone else likes, since you are the one smoking it.

09-27-2009, 04:14 PM	#5
jerseystepup L-I-V-I-N Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Randy Location: New Jersey Posts: 774 Trading: (9)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? I sat here watching tv thinking about this thread even more.. and IDK why threads like this bother me.. they definatly shouldnt.. but if you think about it.. tobacco is tobacco... Pete Johnson claims to use only first generation cuban seed, but in a difft climate.. there are going to be GREAT cubans, and theyre are going to be TERRBILE cubans.. same goes for NC's.. its a matter of your palate picking out a taste it likes... After all people have said in this thread.. theres people in countries where cc's are legal, yet they prefer NC's just because theres so much more out there to explore... rant rant rant... and everything i said here as already been said in this thread more than once.. so as previously mentioned.. "smoke what you like and like what you smoke" Dont get hung up on something just because its "cuban" or not..

09-27-2009, 04:17 PM	#6
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? is the left of the right boobie better ?

09-27-2009, 06:10 PM	#9
e-man67 Big Drunkin Monkey!! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Eric Posts: 1,480 Trading: (29)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? They are just a different taste...nothing can replace it...but there are NC's just as good if not better IMO. I love and appreciate it all.

09-27-2009, 03:38 PM	#4
jerseystepup L-I-V-I-N Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Randy Location: New Jersey Posts: 774 Trading: (9)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? When i first started smoking... it didnt make a difference to me at all.. in fact if i smoked 2 unbanded cigars.. i wouldnt be able to tell which was NC and which was the CC... now that my palate is more refined, and i know what i like, I can say that i have a taste for cubans.. my father in law however.. who has been smoking twice as long as me, and got me into cigars, isnt a fan of CC's.. and when i offer him one would rather smoke his own...

09-27-2009, 04:36 PM	#10
jerseystepup L-I-V-I-N Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Randy Location: New Jersey Posts: 774 Trading: (9)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? High Five for sneaking in a total recall refrence.. Lets ask Arnold this question

09-27-2009, 04:38 PM	#16
PV1191 Chicken!the other wrapper Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Tommy Location: Wet Wet Seattle Posts: 70 Trading: (0)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? Short answer is NO

09-27-2009, 05:46 PM	#17
Tarks Need to make a purchase!! Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Winnipeg Posts: 294 Trading: (2)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? Would it be safe to say that most people are not comparing apples to apples in this discussion? I mean, in most conversations that I have had on this topic the discussion usually ends up comparing a $10-$20 NC to the average $3-$5 cc. What does this tell me. It tells me that on average cc's are a far more superior cigar to the nc for the money. I agree that cc's tend to have more issues with construction but only at the lower end cigars such as HdM PE's, RyJ Mille Fleurs, Party Shorts etc. The premium cc's in the $10-$20 range don't have construction issues anymore than the premium nc's. If we compared both cc's and nc's in the average price range of $5/stick there would be no doubt in my mind what I would be taking. The cc all day long.

09-27-2009, 06:02 PM	#18
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,653 Trading: (47)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? I find this thread amazing. It seems to me that nothing brings out the knives faster than the old "NC v. CC" debate, er, discussion. This thread is continuing in that long and predictable tradition. To me, the best cigar, at any price, is the one you like. Knowing that others like a cigar that you can't stand doesn't make that cigar a better fit for you or you an inferior chooser of cigars. In the end, you have to smoke the cigar, so it actually a deeply personal experience based on taste and enjoyment and all the many, many factors that affect that. In the end, like or dislike of a cigar is subjective and in the moment. It should not be up for a vote, IMO. It doesn't matter if massive numbers of people post about liking one over the other. In the end, it is all about what the smoker likes at the moment. If the cigar currently lit isn't doing it, well, then it is an inferior cigar, no matter how many times the same box has yielded stellar results in the past. That's the beauty of this little hobby - something new around every bend in the river. I also like that I can sit around with someone smoking grape swisher sweet and one smoking a 1492 and we can all enjoy our smokes and have a great time just reveling in our cigar. We are all equal - just sitting around smoking what makes us happy. I encourage everyone to expand their palates and try something new. Who knows, you might find something you like. It may be a CC or an NC, but if it doesn't do it for you, please don't try to take away the enjoyment of those for whom it is a good cigar. It is only being polite. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

09-27-2009, 05:50 PM	#20
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,565 Trading: (37)	Re: Are cuban cigars really the best? BTW, I don't think Arnold smokes anything that costs less than about $20-25/cigar. As for the rest of us, meh, whatever you like, you smoke. I've never gotten into the is "such-and-such" a $10 NC better than a "this or that" $7 Cuban debate, or vice-versa at $7 and $10, or whatever, so I'm not going to start now. I think it's a silly argument.