Sometimes you call a spade a spade - Page 9

yourchoice · 07-30-2009, 04:33 PM

A possible compromise may be if next to the trader feedback number a percentage were displayed. I know I've seen this somewhere else, but I'm not sure if this version of vB supports it. Just a suggestion that may permit negative feedback to be more visible (ie, anything not 100%). People should still do their own homework, but a person's trade history would be more visible that way for all to see if you have a deal in the works with him/her or not.

floydpink · 07-30-2009, 04:52 PM

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bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by floydpink

No dog in this fight myself, feel sorrry for those screwed over, hope the guy gets his due karma and all that, but....

This one really has me confused. Why on Earth did you leave "glowing feedback" when you were "totally screwed over" ???????

Been trying to stay out of controversy this year, but for the life of me, I can't make sense of this statement.

Read more... should become apparent (the "ebay" effect). No problem with the question though, I think truthful feedback is a problem and I dont believe the feedback left here (myself included) is always accurate.

floydpink · 07-30-2009, 05:06 PM

sorry, found your "ebay" thread after I posted, then deleted after reading more, which is tough in these multi page threads.

Hopefully I'm not a dying breed that speaks it as I mean it, and leaves feedback according to my experiences. not changing that for anything either.

You do nobody a favor, but the seller, by hiding negative experiences.

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:31 PM

Mark,

If folks want to have a civilized conversation about these incidents, how to prevent them, how to improve things, I see no reason to lock the thread.

Lu

icehog3 · 07-30-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloo

Mark,

If folks want to have a civilized conversation about these incidents, how to prevent them, how to improve things, I see no reason to lock the thread.

Lu

The Mods discussed Dan long and hard, spoke to lots of affected parties, etc, before all this started. Thus, the thread about Dan was allowed to go forward. Throwing out another name, where all we have seen is negative feedback comments and we have none of the details, is a different matter completely.

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

The Mods discussed Dan long and hard, spoke to lots of affected parties, etc, before all this started. Thus, the thread about Dan was allowed to go forward. Throwing out another name, where all we have seen is negative feedback comments and we have none of the details, is a different matter completely.

Icehog... I agree... see my post above about not lynching. I do however feel if some positive actions came of this like leaving meaningful feedback, early reporting of problems, etc, came out of the thread it would be a positive ending. I agree 100% about dragging other names into this.

icehog3 · 07-30-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigloo

Icehog... I agree... see my post above about not lynching. I do however feel if some positive actions came of this like leaving meaningful feedback, early reporting of problems, etc, came out of the thread it would be a positive ending. I agree 100% about dragging other names into this.

Sorry, Lu, I was just using your post as a jumping off point, not implying that you were supporting the ideas I was discussing.

markem · 07-30-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloo

Icehog... I agree... see my post above about not lynching. I do however feel if some positive actions came of this like leaving meaningful feedback, early reporting of problems, etc, came out of the thread it would be a positive ending. I agree 100% about dragging other names into this.

No offense Lu (and I'll buy your drinks at our next herf if I did inadvertently offend you) but what of the lessons you list is new to anyone here? Does anyone read the stickies?

Why would anyone fail to leave meaningful feedback or trader information and why would anyone who suspects that they were taken remain silent (besides the obvious embarrassment factor)?

I think that this thread, early one, provided a cathartic release for those involved, but it has long since left that behind.

DavenportESQ · 07-30-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem

No offense Lu (and I'll buy your drinks at our next herf if I did inadvertently offend you) but what of the lessons you list is new to anyone here? Does anyone read the stickies?

Why would anyone fail to leave meaningful feedback or trader information and why would anyone who suspects that they were taken remain silent (besides the obvious embarrassment factor)?

I think that this thread, early one, provided a cathartic release for those involved, but it has long since left that behind.

For once

CigarDood · 07-30-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloo

Mark,

If folks want to have a civilized conversation about these incidents, how to prevent them, how to improve things, I see no reason to lock the thread.

Lu

Starscream · 07-30-2009, 05:06 PM

This guy stole one of my cigars. He needs to be banned too.

(Just thought I would try to lighten the mood.)

CigarDood · 07-30-2009, 05:09 PM

This is the ultimate lighten the mood picture.

icehog3 · 07-30-2009, 04:31 PM

It's gettin' real close.....

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:38 PM

Icehog

Lu --- all good

bigloo · 07-30-2009, 04:47 PM

Mark,

I call it the ebay effect. I will be the first to admit that while the majority of my feedback is accurate, I have left positive feedback for people who have not lived up to their end of the deal. I have never been screwed to the point where I recieved nothing, but I have had 2-3 week delayed shipping, received blind trade sticks well below par, etc, etc. I ignore the problems in fear that they will also leave poor feedback for me. I think this is a wider problem. It would honestly take theft to get me to leave negetive feedback which luckily has not happened to me. I believe people like Dan have warning signs well before they finish taking peoples money.

As far as the use of the thread, we are in agreement which is why I tried (maybe foolishly) to change its direction.

Lu

07-30-2009, 04:47 PM

This thread has gotten so far from the original subject and has turned into a fight between brothers who have never scammed or hurt anyone on here.

It's time to take a deep breath and walk away from the thread. Anything contributed from this point will likely be clouded by anger and completely counter-productive.

[/soap box]

The Poet · 07-30-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell

This thread has gotten so far from the original subject and has turned into a fight between brothers who have never scammed or hurt anyone on here.

It's time to take a deep breath and walk away from the thread. Anything contributed from this point will likely be clouded by anger and completely counter-productive.

[/soap box]

FWIW,

poker · 07-30-2009, 05:49 PM

Ok folks, I think most of us said what they wanted to say, and those that are out money got a chance to vent.

Its run its course. Move along, nothing more to see.

07-30-2009, 04:33 PM	#1
yourchoice Down the stretch Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joel Location: South Jersey Posts: 4,109 Trading: (37)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade A possible compromise may be if next to the trader feedback number a percentage were displayed. I know I've seen this somewhere else, but I'm not sure if this version of vB supports it. Just a suggestion that may permit negative feedback to be more visible (ie, anything not 100%). People should still do their own homework, but a person's trade history would be more visible that way for all to see if you have a deal in the works with him/her or not.

07-30-2009, 04:52 PM	#2
floydpink crazy diamond Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: Orlando Posts: 1,955 Trading: (17)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade .. __________________ "If we weren't all crazy we would go insane"

07-30-2009, 05:06 PM	#4
floydpink crazy diamond Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: Orlando Posts: 1,955 Trading: (17)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade sorry, found your "ebay" thread after I posted, then deleted after reading more, which is tough in these multi page threads. Hopefully I'm not a dying breed that speaks it as I mean it, and leaves feedback according to my experiences. not changing that for anything either. You do nobody a favor, but the seller, by hiding negative experiences. __________________ "If we weren't all crazy we would go insane" Last edited by floydpink; 07-30-2009 at 05:18 PM.

07-30-2009, 04:31 PM	#5
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Mark, If folks want to have a civilized conversation about these incidents, how to prevent them, how to improve things, I see no reason to lock the thread. Lu

07-30-2009, 05:06 PM	#12
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade This guy stole one of my cigars. He needs to be banned too. (Just thought I would try to lighten the mood.) __________________ Insert quote here.

07-30-2009, 05:09 PM	#13
CigarDood Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DC Posts: 311 Trading: (9)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade This is the ultimate lighten the mood picture.

07-30-2009, 04:31 PM	#14
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 72,086 Trading: (60)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade It's gettin' real close..... __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-30-2009, 04:38 PM	#15
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Icehog Lu --- all good

07-30-2009, 04:47 PM	#16
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Mark, I call it the ebay effect. I will be the first to admit that while the majority of my feedback is accurate, I have left positive feedback for people who have not lived up to their end of the deal. I have never been screwed to the point where I recieved nothing, but I have had 2-3 week delayed shipping, received blind trade sticks well below par, etc, etc. I ignore the problems in fear that they will also leave poor feedback for me. I think this is a wider problem. It would honestly take theft to get me to leave negetive feedback which luckily has not happened to me. I believe people like Dan have warning signs well before they finish taking peoples money. As far as the use of the thread, we are in agreement which is why I tried (maybe foolishly) to change its direction. Lu

07-30-2009, 04:47 PM	#17
Darrell Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade This thread has gotten so far from the original subject and has turned into a fight between brothers who have never scammed or hurt anyone on here. It's time to take a deep breath and walk away from the thread. Anything contributed from this point will likely be clouded by anger and completely counter-productive. [/soap box]

07-30-2009, 05:49 PM	#19
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade Ok folks, I think most of us said what they wanted to say, and those that are out money got a chance to vent. Its run its course. Move along, nothing more to see. __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching