Pledge of Allegiance - Page 2

Bruzee · 05-29-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

With all due respect, I don't think it turned ugly at all. It *could* still; but it hasn't yet. Hopefully it wont....

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Originally Posted by MadAl

I don't think it turned ugly at all, either. Did I misinterpret something? Did I post something unintentionally ugly?

Sorry

I got ugly when it became a religious conversation, which is not a good idea. There are too many STRONG opinions and beliefs here for this to end in a positive manner.

Not to mention the mods here don't allow these to go on too long. The OP didn't start a religious thread. No apology needed MadAl.

Genetic Defect · 05-29-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruzee

I got ugly when it became a religious conversation, which is not a good idea. There are too many STRONG opinions and beliefs here for this to end in a positive manner.

Not to mention the mods here don't allow these to go on too long. The OP didn't start a religious thread. No apology needed MadAl.

I wouldn't call you ugly

Bruzee · 05-29-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

I wouldn't call you ugly

Opps... You wouldn't but I know a lot of people that would!

LasciviousXXX · 05-29-2009, 02:02 PM

Thanks to the OP of this thread

As a non-Christian who believes whole-heartedly in reciting the entire pledge of allegiance I thank you

shvictor · 05-29-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruzee

Opps... You wouldn't but I know a lot of people that would!

05-29-2009, 11:56 AM

Under God is simply meant as a higher power than ourselves and that we should be guided to be better people throughtout our daily existence.

But the real point is in TanithT's last paragraph. Do we still teach the meaning of those words or are we producing people that take but never give back. Your God is your God by whatever name you call him/her/it. This was based on simpler times when religion was a "good" thing.

Have we, are we becoming a nation of sheeple or are we creating educated citizens......Sometimes you have to wonder.

My girls while still in Grade school understand that no matter where you came from, what background, what religion, you are an American first and all things else second. And that is something we have started to and maybe have even lost as a nation.

I am agnostic. I would like the the pledge to read differently but it is an institution in this country that should be upheld. I signed my name on the blank check written the government via the U.S. Army. I don't have to believe in the politics, or religions invovled.
I had to believe in something greater than myself in order to protect people's right to disagree, be heard, and vote for their elected officials. So all are entitled to their opinions, but if I'm wrong here the intent was take pride in your country and that in a time where everything is up to interpretation, somethings remain solid and part of tradition. I'll rifle up again if they asked me to, let's just hope the coming generations are willing to do the same when the time comes.

Lest we forget the small white headstones that fill the hillsides of our great nation no matter what our personal beliefs.

Okay I'm off my soapbox. Just struck a nerve if you know what I mean.

csbrewfisher · 05-29-2009, 12:00 PM

Congrats to the OP's daughter!

taltos · 05-29-2009, 12:04 PM

I am sorry if I started anything when I stated my understanding of where one phrase came from. It was not my intent which is why I backed out of the thread.

Bruzee · 05-29-2009, 02:28 PM

Dude Dustin, nice avatar!

detroitpha357 · 05-29-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kaisersozei

I went to my daughter's freshmen class academic awards ceremony today (she received an academic letter for a full year's worth of A's & B's, as well as a certificate of excellence for her performance at the French Congrès.

)

Congrads to your daughter as well as yourself. Please keep up the good work with your daughte.

You should be very proud of yourself.

rrplasencia · 05-29-2009, 08:20 PM

congrats to your daughter, can't wait to hear my son say it when he starts pre-k this fall.

TanithT · 05-29-2009, 09:38 PM

There is a saying about walking a mile in your neighbor's moccasins if you actually want to understand what it feels like from their cultural perspective. It is a very good metaphorical exercise. Do try it, please, at least in your own imagination.

moosie · 05-29-2009, 10:58 PM

I love America.

05-29-2009, 11:26 PM

Our founding fathers believed that without God, and prayer, the country would never succeed. From 1774 until now, there has been opening prayer in congress. Read the first opening prayer on sept. 7, 1774. http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html

In this video, listen to what Benjamin Franklin wrote to George Washington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGpoG...eature=related

With what our founding fathers wrote, it seems that "under God" fits in the PofA.

I may or may not agree with anything above. Nothing in this post besides whats underlined, is my opinion or view.

The Professor · 05-30-2009, 07:03 AM

Yup ... I now fully regret every responding to this thread and having it take up room on my "My Replies" list. Should have trusted my gut and realized that no topic that has the potential to do with religion and/or politics can stay away.

Oy.

Can a mod please just shut this down? Please???

LasciviousXXX · 05-30-2009, 09:09 AM

Sadness. I had hoped that after my last post the members could refrain from throwing any more gas onto this tiny camp-fire.

The original post deserved more than this.

05-29-2009, 02:02 PM	#4
LasciviousXXX Team of 11...Always Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Týr Location: New Orleans Posts: 4,579 Trading: (8)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Thanks to the OP of this thread As a non-Christian who believes whole-heartedly in reciting the entire pledge of allegiance I thank you

05-29-2009, 11:56 AM	#6
Lensjockie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Under God is simply meant as a higher power than ourselves and that we should be guided to be better people throughtout our daily existence. But the real point is in TanithT's last paragraph. Do we still teach the meaning of those words or are we producing people that take but never give back. Your God is your God by whatever name you call him/her/it. This was based on simpler times when religion was a "good" thing. Have we, are we becoming a nation of sheeple or are we creating educated citizens......Sometimes you have to wonder. My girls while still in Grade school understand that no matter where you came from, what background, what religion, you are an American first and all things else second. And that is something we have started to and maybe have even lost as a nation. I am agnostic. I would like the the pledge to read differently but it is an institution in this country that should be upheld. I signed my name on the blank check written the government via the U.S. Army. I don't have to believe in the politics, or religions invovled. I had to believe in something greater than myself in order to protect people's right to disagree, be heard, and vote for their elected officials. So all are entitled to their opinions, but if I'm wrong here the intent was take pride in your country and that in a time where everything is up to interpretation, somethings remain solid and part of tradition. I'll rifle up again if they asked me to, let's just hope the coming generations are willing to do the same when the time comes. Lest we forget the small white headstones that fill the hillsides of our great nation no matter what our personal beliefs. Okay I'm off my soapbox. Just struck a nerve if you know what I mean. Last edited by Lensjockie; 05-29-2009 at 12:03 PM. Reason: misquote

05-29-2009, 12:00 PM	#7
csbrewfisher Welcome to my nightmare Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jerry Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Trading: (10)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Congrats to the OP's daughter!

05-29-2009, 12:04 PM	#8
taltos Really, really old Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: Saugus, MA Posts: 2,486 Trading: (3)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance I am sorry if I started anything when I stated my understanding of where one phrase came from. It was not my intent which is why I backed out of the thread. __________________ Jimmy, some of its magic, some of its tragic, but I had a good life all the way. He Went to Paris, J. Buffett

05-29-2009, 02:28 PM	#9
Bruzee Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: D Location: San Diego Posts: 1,508 Trading: (30)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Dude Dustin, nice avatar! __________________

05-29-2009, 08:20 PM	#11
rrplasencia monica lewinsky Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Richard Location: Miami Posts: 1,827 Trading: (55)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance congrats to your daughter, can't wait to hear my son say it when he starts pre-k this fall. __________________ "Merica, Back to Back World War Champs." -Cloyd Rivers

05-29-2009, 09:38 PM	#12
TanithT Herfer Grrrrl Join Date: May 2009 First Name: Tanith Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 692 Trading: (26)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance There is a saying about walking a mile in your neighbor's moccasins if you actually want to understand what it feels like from their cultural perspective. It is a very good metaphorical exercise. Do try it, please, at least in your own imagination.

05-29-2009, 10:58 PM	#13
moosie Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Eric Location: Southern Cal Posts: 84 Trading: (0)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance I love America. Last edited by moosie; 05-29-2009 at 10:58 PM. Reason: Caps

05-29-2009, 11:26 PM	#14
ChicagoWhiteSox Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Our founding fathers believed that without God, and prayer, the country would never succeed. From 1774 until now, there has been opening prayer in congress. Read the first opening prayer on sept. 7, 1774. http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html In this video, listen to what Benjamin Franklin wrote to George Washington http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGpoG...eature=related With what our founding fathers wrote, it seems that "under God" fits in the PofA. I may or may not agree with anything above. Nothing in this post besides whats underlined, is my opinion or view. Last edited by ChicagoWhiteSox; 05-29-2009 at 11:40 PM. Reason: link

05-30-2009, 07:03 AM	#15
The Professor i wish i was geRRy... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: geRRy Location: So*Cal... Posts: 1,703 Trading: (7)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Yup ... I now fully regret every responding to this thread and having it take up room on my "My Replies" list. Should have trusted my gut and realized that no topic that has the potential to do with religion and/or politics can stay away. Oy. Can a mod please just shut this down? Please??? __________________ ~Dokk Join the CA Lottery (clicky). It's fun!!!

05-30-2009, 09:09 AM	#16
LasciviousXXX Team of 11...Always Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Týr Location: New Orleans Posts: 4,579 Trading: (8)	Re: Pledge of Allegiance Sadness. I had hoped that after my last post the members could refrain from throwing any more gas onto this tiny camp-fire. The original post deserved more than this.